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[Waramp]

just give everybody guns on their 8th birthday. problem solved. the weak and slow-on-the-draw will perish, the strong and Quick-Draw McGraw-like will take over. elections should be determined by a duel at 10 paces, not something as stupid as votes.

[ubermoose]

[sPiN]

It's not guns that need to be controlled, it's the people. As Hammurabi said "an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth" basically I think if someone murders someone, they should be executed as well. Eventually people will catch on, and if not then they don't deserve to live.

[Meegz ?]

Alright...I said a bomb, and in some kitchens I could find what I would need to kill 30+ people. Easiest example: Tinfoil and the Works. Then I wrap a 2 liter bottle in small pieces of metal, so when it explodes, the shrapnel either kills or maims anyone within say 20 feet? With what I can go buy at Wal-Mart I can make a bomb big enough to destroy your house. With some overkill. And no one would suspect a thing when I bought the stuff is the bad part. Especially if I made 2 trips.

I'm not trying to freak people out or come off like some Waco-nut, its just that it irks me when people think that they are completely safe from someone who has the internet and a Wal-Mart nearby. People doing stupid shit like that bothers me. I dunno. I guess I don't like seeing people be so naive to what the average Joe with $100 and an idea can do.

[Hades]

Did a quick search on the net and came up with this on the first page, make of it as you will:

[Meegz ?]

I've never ever said that people with a purpose don't use guns. I said accidental deaths, which I believe was how the statement was posed the arguement. If not, then I appologize for mis-reading the post.

Also, why all the gun-death figures? I know that 80+ people die every day from guns in the U.S. The question is do you understand how much it pains me as someone who understands what a gun is supposed to be used for? I see that and it makes my gut clench, because people can't use common sense to see that using a gun is a last ditch effort to save your own life. There are few reasons to take life, one of them being to save another life, wether it be your own or someone elses.

This seems like you are attacking me because you don't like guns and I do. You aren't looking at or asking for my 'shades of grey' on the subject. If you can't look at something that changes from instance to instance, and accept that different outcomes might be better in those different instances, then stop arguing now, because it will get neither of us anywhere.

[Hades]

Sorry never ment it as a personal attack at you. But I just wanted to relate my argument that gun restrictions do have results versus where guns are readily available.

The gun-death statistics was a direct response to what I percieved as a gun saves lives statement. In which alot of cases it may be true, but I believe in 90%+ of the time it destroy's lives rather than saves them. The positives are there, I just believe they are heavily outweighed by the negatives.

I would like to be enlightened on what a gun is supposed to be used for, to me I can think of quite a few non fatal oriented alternatives.

But hey, I didn't mean any offense. Lets agree to disagree on the subject. I just like to discuss these things every now and then
No hard fealings?

[Meegz ?]

Of course, I just wasn't quite sure on what you were trying to say. No harm, no foul

[ubermoose]

I understand most legally bought guns will never kill a person and i understand how law abiding gun users are pissed off at the "bad name" criminals bring to gun owners.

But how do you seperate the two? Is it better that everyone has guns and some are used to murder? Or that less people have guns and even less are used to murder?

[Meegz ?]

I see it is if less people have guns then it won't be the law abiding citizens who are owning them, it will be all the criminals who wont be in the midst of a booming black market of newly illegal guns

[AmishSpeedGoat]

[SoaringSquirrel]

[Vixen]