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[Solartje]

hiya all
after vioces his post ive been thinking of making a lame char ^^

a absorber, unkillable lvl30-31

helm: rare dmg reduced by 7 / +15life replenish / 2socket (sol sol socket ,dmg red by 14)
armor: 4 socket ( sol sol sol sol socket) (dmg red by 28 )
shield: 30/20/ replenish life 5 / dmg reduced by 7/ 2 socket (sol sol socket, dmg red by 14)
amu +1 / 15life replenish / dmg reduced by 7
gloves: life replenish by 5
ring: life replenish by 5 / dmg reduced by 2 * 2
weapon: scepter replenish life by 15 / (lvl30 = 8 life, lvl31 = 20life jewel socket)


total:

dmg reduced by: (7 + 14)+(2+(7+14)+(2+2) = 75 dmg reduced
replenish life: 15 + 8 + 48 + 8 + 5 + 5 + 15 = 104 life replenish.

now im not yet sure on what char to use it.

either a druid, using maxed fisure to kill, and all skills adding to his life. 2-3k life would be cool.
or a assasin, maxing fade to have 50%dmg reduced and any other skill, probably fire traps or something.
or a paladin maxing prayer and using smite to kill.
maybe even a max es/tk sorc, gear might be a bit different with replenish replace with mana regen or something

for assasin for example:
now most 29 melee's do around 600-2k avg dmg. after pvp penalty= 100-300 dmg. with 50%dmg reduced = 50 - 150 dmg, with the dmg reduced from gear = 0 - 75 dmg, and 104 life replenish = +- 10life sec. u heal all the dmg u got back in 7 seconds in worst case scenarios. with a base of 1k life, u should be pritty hard to be killed.

ofc a 4k charger with deathly strike: 8k dmg, 4k after 50%reduced, 650 after pvp cut, still 600life lost in 1hit, wich takes 60seconds to repair... ok she's not unkillable ^^ but she'd be damn hard to kill.

ok its late night, maybe just another stupid post of solly ^^ but just wanted to see what max absorb and replenish would be

[Jerkazoid]

for regen the paladin is best bc of clensing +prayer synergy
slvl 33 prayer gives 56 life in 2 seconds, equivilant to about 280 replenish. (+points into prayer effect synergizes)

what u need:
+1def aura +3prayer scepter
+2def barbed deflecting shield
soj
soj
+2def aura ammy
+2def aura circ (exists?)
+1 armor
add sols wherever u can.

since this only costs 21 points u have a few left over to do with smite and make a bad (maybe 200 dmg) but HUGE regen smiter.


for dmg negation the ES sorc (at about lvl 37) would be best at this for phsycal dmg. however she needs a ton of mana and mana_regen

belt = glooms
perfect dr iron pelt +sol = -27
perfect ammy of life everlasting = -25dr
artisan of def tower = -21dr
soj
soj
frost burns
silk weave
perfect circlet of life everlasting 2sols = 39 dr

with the possible 112 dr the amount it can negate depends on your ES %

assume 2sojs and some buff orb/gear to get that ES up to about 75%
that means 112/.25 = 448 effective dr.
or 2635 listed dmg GONE after mana absorbtion

with the slvl 20 teleken, your looking at a 2635 hit doing this:
2635*.17 = 447 pvp
447 * .75 = 335 take to mana at the cost of 250 mana
112 pvp left -112 dr = 0 dmg to life


now the trick is to block and avoid enough hits to allow your mana to stay full even if u get hit with 1000 dmg a second

this will require a huge mana bulb of maybe 1200 (energy pumping)
mana/life gc's and a nice amount of warmth (hell rush too i bet)

[GODZ!]

necro and bone armor...huh huh?

[meitou]

Fun ideas.

[Solartje]

yeah some funny ideas ^^

gonna do some checking on the sorc.
see how much mana i need to get a descent regen etc.

this is more like a fun char, to enter a pubbie game, stand there, and let 8 p?ople atack u and just laugh...

for sorc lvl37 ;
(2 lum's in orb, 8 * 6str/60mana gc, 2 * 6dex/60mana gc, 10 * 17mana sc )
str: 75str (tower shield) (10base+ 15amu + 48gc ) = 2str
dex: max block (96dex with tower delfection) (25base +12 gc) = 59dex
vita: none
energy: rest (200 - 2 - 59 ) = 139

mana= (35base + 278stats + 74 lvl37 + 600 gc's + 170 sc's + 40 lum's)= 997
increase mana= 25soj + 25soj + 40frosties + 15gloom + 10 silks = 115%
TOTAL MANA = +- 2250
regen= 15% gloom +330 warmth (lvl20 + (+1all/+3warmth/+3 dmg skill orb) +2sojs) = 345% warmth.

= 83.4 mana regen / second, 128dmg reduced
so 2365 listed dmg totally absorbed and regend in 3seconds ^^

this means, seeing that the mana bumb needs 27sec to refill, that u can :
absorb 22k dmg in 27sec, and not lose 1 single life or mana
ok u couldnt kill a squirl rat with it but do u need to kill? if they give up, it counts as a win too no?

also the str used from charms, will make all gear invisible (exept the orb) so u look pritty naked to all , but u will be very very very hard to kill. and they will run out of mana before u even lose 1 life ^^ be prepared to hear the might HAXXZOR spam ^^ about your dmg... lvl 6 ice bolts. (
+1/+3orb + 2 sojs) is max u will be doing ^^ u wont even be able to kill andy in normal with it, but thats not the point of the build; seeing them go WTF is priceless ^^

lvl37 = 49 skill points so:

lvl20 warmth
lvl20 telekynese
lvl9 energy shield + ( +9es staff to prebuf)


jerky, did u ever make on of these chars, or is it pure theoretical?

[cat_funt]

Yea, im sure in theory it would work but its just pointless. If you wanna go in lld games with a high lvl char and watch them not be able to kill you just make a hld zealer...

[Solartje]

a lvl30 variant of this build is possible too. 37 is not really a hld'er.

anyway its a non coockie char, and any non coockie char is never pointless.

[Jerkazoid]

theory.
but i did make in SP once, tried to see if it was vaible ghandi style (cold armor) it seemed like it could have been. but it needs the extra skill points from hell rush imo, and 37 just helps more get into orb +a few pieces of gear.

totally a joke build, nothing to do with killing power, its exploring immunity. thats the whole point.

i think the paladin regen build is easier to make, also should be a bit more viable for killing.

an insight charger with clensging as main aura will get double prayer back from the clens + meditation.
the 30 might get about 70 life in 2 seconds
the 27 will get maybe 50 every 2 seconds.

[Solartje]

well ive descided to make the sorc ^^ seems like fun. and ghandi can only be tested if made in closed and really done some pubbie duells. ill let u know how he went.

ps; u got a good name for her? ghandi many wont get the point: maybe call it MakeLoveNotWar? or The_Pascifist

ps jerky, how u tend to put points in orb? :s max tk, max warmth, rest in es. not much rest for orb ^^

might try the pala later in ladder if i can afford it.

[Inexorable]

Against Physical, that build would be decent at 30. Couple forseeable problems. Honor users would have a chance to do some damage via Deadly Strike. Open Wounds is -regen, on a 29 melee it's roughly -10life/second after pvp. If they go to 31, it's around 11.4life/second. I do not know if Sols wrok against Crushing Blow, if they do, that's sick and wrong. If -dr and ONLY %dr works against CB, a high cb/ow character (smiter and/or kicker here) would rock your world, it would just take awhile. Also remember that ES has a 0% resist all, (Does cold mastery reduce the Energy Shield's resist as well as your own, or just your own?), so I'm thinking a decent blizzer would wreak some havoc. However, you're damn near immune to melees, over time.

[The Wal-Mart]

Technically if you wanted to do this on a sorc the best gear setup i can think of would be a 40* 15/70, 2 sojs, 4 sol'd mana or life armor, 2 sold +2 fire/regen circ 3 socketed tower with sols, SoE or Glooms, Magefists ( +1 warmth fcr..lol and 25 regen) Shenks ( duped rares.... ) a 2 fire mana/life regen ammy and prebuff es/shiver This would land you 3.5k+ mana and 1k++ life with DR,DTM, Insane mana, good life etc etc etc.

Also since your maxing warmth you should go +1 enchant and use a 6 sheal'd wep to smack the pubbys down or a zeal charges wep with max/dtm jewels
Or you can be boring and use a fire/warmth wep with dtm jewels.

But you better watch out for lvl 8 taunt barbs though,
Only way i beat thim is with my own

[lpb]

I started a lvl30 pally like this after trading barbs with oramin on battle.net forums on the subject and gambling and crafting some decent equipment for this type of a character. Haven't done much with him a/o/yet, still waiting for a perfect helm, using a 3-sol'ed artisans great helm of radiance atm, but crafted amulets, rings, gloves and boots are your friend :0

safety crafts get automatic dr and mdr mods, and in some cases those can stack (e.g. rings (6dr, 4mdr), amulets (8dr, 5mdr)). if you just happen to catch +life regeneration, some resists, attack speed, or other such useful mods, it makes your life much easier

You can also take advantage of the MDR/DR bug, where DR is applied to magic damage as well. My absorbadin currently runs with 105DR and 32MDR, but I haven't crafted the perfect items for him quite yet, so he doesn't do so well in duels - they can't hurt me, but i can't hurt them

LPB

[ederfico]

I am leaning with Wal-Mart's idea. Imagine a six socketed wep (crystal sword or something of that sort with low req.s) and then putting some max/10-11% dtm jewels. You can get 60-66% dtm right there. With the es sorc build, that would be pretty nice. Also, with that one belt (Brain fart... I can't remember the name) that has 50% dtm, that's 116% dtm right there. I don't know about you, but regenerating mana like that will be sick as hell.

[Jerkazoid]

the dtm with ES cant work the way u want it to bc it functions on the dmg your life bulb takes. the point was to lower the dmg taken to life so much anyway. thus DTM would have nothing to work with unless u could get nearly 1000's% of it

ES does begin before resistance, so we all know that mana takes the biggest hit. AFter the ES absorbs what left goes through to DR/MDR/DR% and resistance%. the dmg to life needs to be minimal (if not nearly 100% negated). provided u can maintain the mana, this can work.

thats all there is to it really, make sure the char has enough mana and regen and enough DR/mdr/resistance to negate the dmg AFTER its been choped by ES. the more ES the more your mana needs to be full and the more dramatic each point of dr/mdr will effectivly negate.

example (X%es -100dr)

2000dmg 40%es -100dr = 104 dmg to life
2000dmg 50%es -100dr = 70 dmg to life
2000dmg 60%es -100dr = 36 dmg to life
2000dmg 70%es -100dr = 2 dmg to life

remeber that if its elemental dmg the order goes MDR then resistance%
not sure what hapens with psn, i think psn goes through uneffected. this is the reason for iron pelt bc of some added mdr. 75% resistance will cut the dmg, so its pretty powerfull still (but not immune)

crushing blow i doubt is effected by ES at all, not to mention -dr DOESNT effect crushing, (however dr% does) ultimatly though u cannot kill with crushing or OW, u must do atleast 1 integer of dmg with something else to kill.

about the orb on ES sorc.. i dont think u can get the sorc to be viable with a skill. it takes all the points to get warmth/teleken/es up high enough imo. the only thing i felt like i could do was sacrifice some ES/-dr for high defence in the hopes i could find a defence balance with cold armor.

ultimatly lpb has the crux about these..

[Solartje]

maaaaaaaaaan im geting nuts.

i found a 3 socket /30/20 tower, i muled it, and today ive searched ALL my chars, took me 3 hours, and i still cant find it. im sure it cant poof, as i shoped it, no one has acces to my acc's, and if they would they would steal better items, im 100% sure i saved char by quiting game so no rollback, but i JUST CANT FREAKING FIND it. did i dream it?

anyway solly