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LLD101 Low Level Dueling in 1.12
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Kinkykowboy
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:18 am Post subject:
Lld Zealer - Help/Critique Plz |
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Aight, I'm making a new lld level 12 zealer. This is the first lld I've made, so I have an idea on how to build/what to use, but I'm not sure...
Red = Things I'm Unsure Of.
Items
Helm: 3os Helm w/ 3x 9 Max Dmg Jewels (MDJ)
Armor: 4os Armor w/ 4x 9MDJ
Rings/Ammy: Angelics (for AR duhh.. )
Belt: Deaths Set
Boots: Rare Boots w/ AR/Dex/Str/Life
Gloves: Deaths Set
Weapon: 6os Crystal Sword w/ 6x 9MDJ
Shield: 4os Pally Shield w/ AR/ED + 4x 9MDJ
Charms: 10-15 Life LCs + Max/AR GCs + Str (1-2) SCs
Skills
Zeal - 1
And I Have No Idea What To Do Next...Lol..I Was Thinking Synergies??
PS - I have 23 Skills Because Of G Rush.
Stats
Strength - Enough To Use Gear w/ SCs
Dex - Base
Vita - Rest
Energy - None
Well, thats about as far as I got, mainly i need help with the stats/skills parts, but also a bit with the items.
Thnx is Advance.
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Moritz
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:23 am Post subject:
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play with maxblock and use sigons boots.
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:29 am Post subject:
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4os ancient armor is 100 str req. your gonna want to lower that with atleast 3 MDJ's that also have -15% req to get it down to 55
with str req 55 u can use 5os war scepter, get one with +3zeal so u get slvl 4 zeal wich is 5hits.
sigons boots are 70str req and dont offer much unless u use two sigons
same with hsarus boots, not much with only 1 piece.
the rares make sence if u have,,or hotspur i guess
and do make sure u hit 75% blocking,,i dont think base dexterity will do that
recomend u go pure life 15lc's ones with ar as well if u can afford.
max dmg skills:
1 zeal
12 sac
10 might
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B[x]
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:41 am Post subject:
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For your weapon use a Mililtary Pick. With your setup, you won't gain any attack speed but if your jewels are all level 9 or less, you can always use it on a level 9 paladin. A vlld sacrifice paladin will attack one frame faster with a Military Pick than he would with a Crystal Sword. So while a Pick won't help your zealot, you gain the option of using it for a later build as well as have a better resale value. You will lose one base average damage (a Pick is 9 average damage and a Crystal Sword is 10) but in the long run, that won't make much of a difference at all.
For your boots, I'd go with plain old Hotspurs unless you want to go to level 13 for Cow King's boots. You can look for a set with 3dex/10fhr/15AR but those are few and far between. By the looks of things you're not looking to go all out with this build so just keep it simple and go with hotspurs.
As for your armor, I'd go with a 3 socket breast plate. You'd lose one socket but you'd need 40 less str than the lightest 4 socket armor. Same thing goes for your helm, go with something light - a mask.
I don't have any experience with level 12 paladins nor do I have too much with level 18 paladins but I do know that level 9 sacrifice paladins do not need fhr. Whether level 12s do, I don't know. However, I do know that if you use any GCs, they should be fhr/AR gcs, not max/AR. I'm not sure what the most max is you can get on a level 12 GC but I know it can't be high enough to warrant losing 2x 15 life lcs over it. Another possibility is to go to level 14 to open up 10 life scs, thus increasing the life you get on charms by a third.
When it comes to your paladin's stats, you're right in thinking to use as little strength as possible. However, in melee on any level where you're wearing a shield, if you don't max block, you're pretty much dead. Pump up your dexterity until you have max block and then dump the rest of your stats into vitality.
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krajee
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:19 am Post subject:
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If you choose to go with a war scepter, you may wish to think of using sigons helm/gloves/boots combo. It like totally adds like so much stuff like defense and like attack rating and like cold resist (if you choose to forego cbf). So the combo is like totally like cool, man.
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Kinkykowboy
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:52 am Post subject:
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So far thnx for the help, but i still need to know how to get to 75% blocking? Lol.
As for the ones who requested 3os breast plate instead of 4os Gothic (which I have), I have some 1-2 Str SCs, which may seem as a waste, but in the long run, that just means more into vita, and to get to 70 str with these charms, its not that much strength.
So here's the new list of Items/Skills/Stats that i was thinking:
Items
Blue = I have the item(s) alredy.
Helm: 3os Helm w/ 3x 9 Max Dmg Jewels (MDJ)
Armor: 4os Armor w/ 4x 9MDJ [Need the 4x Jewels]
Rings/Ammy: Angelics
Belt: Deaths Set OR Hsarus [AR with boots]
Boots: Rare Boots w/ AR/Dex/Str/Life OR Hotspurs OR Cow Kings [Lvl 13] OR Hsarus [AR with belt]
Gloves: Deaths Set OR Bloodfists
Weapon: 6os Crystal Sword w/ 6x 9MDJ
Shield: 4os Pally Shield w/ AR/ED + 4x 9MDJ
Charms: 10-15 Life LCs + Max/AR GCs + Str (1-2) SCs
Skills
Zeal - 1
Sacrifice - 12
Might - 10
Defiance - Any Here? 1 Point? [Heard it's usefull]
Stats
Strength - Enough To Use Gear w/ Strength SCs [Maybe Base]
Dex - Enough For 75% Block Which = ?
Vita - Rest
Energy - None
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Chibi
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:01 pm Post subject:
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I'd go lv 13 and wear cow kings boots just because it'll make your life a lot easier trying to get 75% block with the +20 dex on the ck's.
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:03 pm Post subject:
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Kinkykowboy wrote: | how to get to 75% blocking? |
this is based on your clvl, dex and blocking... the game tells you, mouse over your "defence" rating on char screen.
put all your gear on (including stuff +dex like angelics,) then your shield, then put points into dex untill it says 75% blocking
theres a blocking calc to know ahead of time posted in the stickies.
Kinkykowboy wrote: | I have some 1-2 Str SCs, | but it is a waste. even if u had +4str from 2sc's thats 4 vit stats wich is only 12 life
... u could have 15 life from a lc.. so use your stats for str/dex your charms should be life/ar/mana or dmg.
Kinkykowboy wrote: |
Defiance - Any Here? 1 Point? [Heard it's usefull]
| sure a defensive route can be good,, but
1 point isnt enough.... in short if your gonna go defence,,. ud have to go full defence (7skills).
so your sacrificng dmg to be hit less with this build. its a trade off, a different type of build that can be just as effective..
but to make defence really work u need to invest in def gear...
ud use a sigons trio: gloves + boots + helm or belt with the ancient armor.
this should land u at about 900 def. if u want to do this however your build would be quite different.
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Zod-1337
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:24 pm Post subject:
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for my vlld chars.. i will not .. i repeat, will not use a 9maxor plain..
lol
Get rare jewels that have 9max with other mods
Helm: 3os Helm w/ 3x 9 Max Dmg Jewels (MDJ)
9max with dtm, ar, dex, str, etc.. very nice once again.
Armor: 4os Armor w/ 4x 9MDJ
9 maxors with -15 req, def,dex, etc
Rings/Ammy: Angelics (for AR duhh.. Cool )
Belt: Deaths Set
Boots: Rare Boots w/ AR/Dex/Str/Life
Gloves: Deaths Set
Weapon: 6os Crystal Sword w/ 6x 9MDJ
9maxor's with ar/dex/str/life are some very helpful mods.
Shield: 4os Pally Shield w/ AR/ED + 4x 9MDJ
9maxor's with dtm... very helpful..
such as a 9 maxor with 12 dtm x4.. 48dtm is very nice...if you ask me.
if ya wanna know what the easiest way on gettin those jewels are besides trading..
glitched norm andy .. fb mfer
i found all my vlld lvl9 ts sin's gear just off norm andy... (2 weeks)
with exceptions to like sup blade talons .. and ancient armor.
i dunno but the jewels i just said are alot better than plain 9 maxors.
also you may wanna think about adds jewels.
like a adds 7-11 jewel, with -15req .. those are verry nice for the armor.
plus it adds base 7 dmg no matter what.
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Kinkykowboy wrote: | So far thnx for the help, but i still need to know how to get to 75% blocking? Lol.
As for the ones who requested 3os breast plate instead of 4os Gothic (which I have), I have some 1-2 Str SCs, which may seem as a waste, but in the long run, that just means more into vita, and to get to 70 str with these charms, its not that much strength.
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uhh you do know...
a paladin gets what, 4 life per stat point put into it..
so that means the only effective way to get more life, is to use +5 str lc's
compared to 15life sc's...
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krajee
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:07 pm Post subject:
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Zod-1337 wrote: | like a adds 7-11 jewel, with -15req .. those are verry nice for the armor.
plus it adds base 7 dmg no matter what.
uhh you do know...
a paladin gets what, 4 life per stat point put into it..
so that means the only effective way to get more life, is to use +5 str lc's
compared to 15life sc's... |
a 7-11 jewel cant spawn with -reqs.
a paladin gets 3 life per vit
+5str lcs are level 13 req.
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Kinkykowboy
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:24 pm Post subject:
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Yea, Zod-1337 this is my first guy, so i dont need him to be the best, 9 maxors will do good enuff for me
And as for the str problem.. i will try to get a jewl with -15% req + other mods.. What is the best possible jewel to have +max dmg / -15 req (6 max dmg/7/8/9?)
Thnx again lol.. hes startin to take shape
Also, i won't be able to have base strength .. without charms at least.. but not as high as 70
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krajee
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:35 pm Post subject:
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Kinkykowboy wrote: | And as for the str problem.. i will try to get a jewl with -15% req + other mods.. What is the best possible jewel to have +max dmg / -15 req (6 max dmg/7/8/9?)
Thnx again lol.. hes startin to take shape
Also, i won't be able to have base strength .. without charms at least.. but not as high as 70 |
The best possible +max/-req jewel for your level would be 14/-15reqs. However, the easiest to find will be 4-5max/-req because carbuncle is a prefix and freedom is a suffix...so you can find that on a magic jewel.
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Kinkykowboy
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Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:38 pm Post subject:
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Wow, thnx everybody , big help
And lastly, before i know what im doing totally.. i think i will sacrafice the 4-5 Max Dmg and just go 3os bp (like people sed in the first place ).
So, in conclusion, for my first build, here it goes (im gunna try the different item setups and see which works best):
Items - Setup 1
Helm: 3x 9 Max Dmg Jewel Mask
Armor: 3x 9 Max Dmg Jewel Breast Plate
Rings/Ammy: Angelics
Belt: Deaths Set
Gloves: Deaths Set
Boots: Hotspurs
Weapon: 6x 9 Max Dmg Jewel Crystal Sword
Shield: 4x 9 Max Dmg Jewel Rondache w/ 58ED/108AR
Charms: 20x 15 Life SCs
Items - Setup 2
Helm: 3x 9 Max Dmg Jewel Mask
Armor: 3x 9 Max Dmg Jewel Breast Plate
Rings/Ammy: Angelics
Belt: Hsarus
Gloves: Bloodfists
Boots: Hsarus
Weapon: 6x 9 Max Dmg Jewel Crystal Sword
Shield: 4x 9 Max Dmg Jewel Rondache w/ 58ED/108AR
Charms: 20x 15 Life SCs
Skills
Zeal - 1
Might - 10
Sacrifice - 12
Stats
Strength - 43 (For Crystal Sword)
Dex - Enough for 75% Block
Vita - Rest
Energy - None
WHICH OPTION ?
Hey, i just need 1 more piece of advice.. is it important to get to 75% block and the 6th frame fhr (27%). If so, which option shuld i take:
1) Hsarus Boots+Belt (AR) w/ Bloodfists (30%FHR)
And add Dex Until Im 75%
And have full inventory of 15 life lc's
2) Deaths Set Gloves+Belt (Frozen/IAS) + Belt w/ Hotspurs
And add Dex Until Im 75%
And have inventory of 3x 12FHR GCs + 3x 2 Str SCs (For Filler Under
the GCs) + 14x 15 Life Lc's
Which option do you think is better?
Option #1 I have: Option #2 I have:
Str - 43 37
Dex - 55 55
Life - X + 340 X + 243
Block - 75% 75%
IAS - 10% 30%
FHR - 30% 36%
The X in life is = all my life MINUS the stuff i listed in The Option #1/#2.
For example, the 340 comes from 300 from 20x 15 life lc's + 40 from bloodfists, and the 243 is from 14x 15 life lc's + 15 from hotspurs + 18 from the 6 pts. ill save in str.
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