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Proposal 2 PASSED?!
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xX_marie_Xx
 Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 994 BNet Acct/Realm: useast [nl] Montreal Canada  0.00 Silvarrr |
Actually there is indication of marriage and its cerimony was very present in ancient egypt wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy before jesus and the bible.  Also a marriage in a church should definately be outlawed seeing as it is disrespectful to christianity and its institutions, however a civil marriage should not be prohibited imo because it is a violation of human rights.
Abortion is not outlawed and goes against MANY religious beliefs everywhere in the world....nor is going to a strip club, or drinking yourself retarded, or having a lot of sex before marriage. I just dont see the logic in not giving homosexuals equal rights. so long as its civil and not in a church i see no disrespect in it. the only legitimat argument agains homosexual marriage is that it goes against religion but so do many other things that are not outlawed...Blacks werent allowed to vote and had no rights a while back.........now we prosecute homosexuals? its as unfair to deny them civil marriage as it was to deny blacks the right to vote imo Here in montreal its legal 
Definitions change.....also i find the name fruities a little disrespectful. its like calling a black person the N word imo edit: taking these things into consideration...why outlaw it? _________________ 
 <<<<dont ya hate leetspeakLast edited by xX_marie_Xx on Wed Nov 03, 2004 8:48 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Jerkazoid
 Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 2902 BNet Acct/Realm: wscl 4.86 Silvarrr |
but isnt that a lil too semantic for its good? its like the Currnecy...it has "in god we trust" and... that whole fiasco about the pledge.. etc etc (but let not get into those).. do you/we really want the basis of the argument on denotation? _________________ Magic missile doesn't kill people, wizards who cast magic missile kill people.  |
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ChasingChickens
 Joined: 11 Feb 2004 Posts: 908 BNet Acct/Realm: *Chasingchickens, *LegendofRooster 0.00 Silvarrr |
Ancient egypt was before the bible eh? If you are going by the bible then the egypt you are talking about must have ahd a population of... zero....bible starts from the beginning of time
And as for abortion, how come it is legal for the fetus to be killed (or your choice of word, removed etc etc) and yet if a man beats his wife/girl he got pregnant and he kills the fetus he is charged with man slaughter/murder (forgot which it was) (and by the way I believe it is a baby but I am saying fetus and the proper terms for the sake of arguement)
I agree with what you are saying but lets refrain from any derogatory terms, keep this discussion at a mature level. _________________ 
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Knarl
You're Doomed  Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 4254 BNet Acct/Realm: USWest NL: *IK_Knarl, *NewKnarl2 1.21 Silvarrr |
Yeah, I first heard it from my Poli Sci teacher today who is a democrat. And if this discussion doesn't stay civilized, it will be locked. _________________
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VoodooCamel
 Joined: 11 Feb 2004 Posts: 307 BNet Acct/Realm: Gettin' Owned USEast Style 0.00 Silvarrr |
Wow, I wish I could just leave my entire family, all my friends, my home, my job behind on a whim and move away. That is pretty ignorant to say if you don't like it then leave. We are all citizens and our voice is supposed to matter, not if you agree then it counts, but if you don't then go blow sand up your #ss because we don't care about you. Majority roxor joo soxor!!!!!11! I'm pro-choice. The whole gay marriage thing is totally blown out of proportion. The only thing that says homosexuality is wrong is religion, and I think I read somewhere about a whole seperation of church and state... I'm pretty sure it was on some ratty old piece of paper somewhere. As for the whole "in god we trust" and "on nation under god" I belive that the word god is ambiguous and can be taken as one wishes. by the way, did I mention that I heard Montreal was nice? _________________ Reality continues to ruin my life... |
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Jerkazoid
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 2902 BNet Acct/Realm: wscl 4.86 Silvarrr |
this confused me and my girl friend. not sure what its saying also wasnt the trojan war..... didnt they have marriage in the ages before ? abortion is protecting a womens choice to be, or not be a mother,..... {even though that choice in genereal probably should have ben planned out before da sex} however a raped women is forced to have the rapers baby? eek thats a ugly idea to think your daughter/sister could one day be raped and the family be forced to have the child.. a far fetched and ugly reality but im sure it has happened "is it murder is it not".. a hard argument to try to reason. try arguing smoking around a pregnant mother, negligent parental descisions during pregnansy.. .etc. all these are detrimental.. but the law doesnt go so far as to cover all this.. again too iffy for law to be easy.
yah i tend to agree.. i hear it often enough "if your gonna bitch, then why dont u get out?" thats the thing about this country.. your allowed to disagree and try to do something.. "bitching" is protected.. and one of the many things that made america a positive place.. ultimatly the funny thing is.. you should crap or get off the pot.. right? its just takes more work then most of us can handle to make "things" happen/change. its easier to move i guess _________________ Magic missile doesn't kill people, wizards who cast magic missile kill people. Last edited by Jerkazoid on Wed Nov 03, 2004 9:44 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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xX_marie_Xx
Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 994 BNet Acct/Realm: useast [nl] Montreal Canada 0.00 Silvarrr |
perhaps however there is no logical argument against gay marriages other than it goes against religion....no eveyone is a christian so to deny homosexuals civil marriage is make a choiced based soley on ones religion and thus forcing its beliefs on another which is a violation of human rights...... As for abortiong if a woman chooses to be aborted because it is her right i see no reason to take that away. If a man however beats his wife and she miscarries it was against her will...thus not her choice.....in conclusion im pro choice
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GODZ!
Victim of the BAN BLUDGEON Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 3623 BNet Acct/Realm: ECWK 0.00 Silvarrr |
says the over republican person... that is why repubilcans win, they are smaller but are better unified as opposite democrats are spread and never work together, but don't worry about me im very liberal. being someone who's birthday is 8 days after a presidential election which will be very much a part of my maturing *real world* life im very involved and moved and pushed by emotions stiring in my political stomach. but opinions are opinions and i respect everyone until the subject of religion and peoples rights are mixed. example. gun ownership. people kill people, not guns, don't attack them becuase some cannot control themselves or handle themselves. convict the killer not the killing weapon. abortion. the baby is not auto sufficient until it is out of the mother and able to strive for itself. any other time it is the mother, she keeps the child alive and continuing. until that baby is delivered at it's fullest the abortion should be completely legal and the huge subject that has hit me majorly. Homosexual marraiges. first of all i would like to say im a strong believer in God and pretty christian but like i said im very liberal and being liberal i am all for the peoples rights over the governments control. The government is regulating over a church power where the government has a policy of seperate church and state. People are people. Nobody can control the emotions that are set foward from ones self and the attractions that have been recieved. It happens. Most of the time, guys like girls and girls like guys but there is those occasions where guys are for guys and girls are for girls. Gay people cannot help themselves becuase their body doesn't not function "normaly." Because a majority of redneck/hillbilly/bumble fuck hunting conservative republicans do not like this or are not used to it and are afraid of change doesn't mean those gay people should be persecuted and attacked on an emotional and physical level. Why would one person not be allowed to do something so important to them when the only thing they did wrong was being born. Those very same conservative republicans should look at it in a the same way but with something else...take anything, bowling for example. Becuase they have that attraction and like towards bowling doesn't mean they have a certain problem with them. Maybe not everyone likes bowling but does that mean it should be outlawed. IT'S NOT HURTING ANYONE AT ALL. Marriage should not be messed with by the government when it's mixed with church. This country was based on free rights and now those rights are being limited thus ruining the word free. How is that so, becuase we are a country majoritized by christianity or any religion that looks down on someone for doing a certain inscribed wrong. It's not a wrong it was never thought of as wrong until one person said, "hey, yuck, i don't like that" then got everyone thinking that. Sorry, very sorry, especially to the insulted republicans. but this subject, this very subject of gay marraige makes me so angry. Im not homosexual at all but my problems come out the worste when i think someone is attacked unfairly or treated wrongly and this is the worste kind of wrong. Tridge, or whoever started this, i really want to cry for all of the now not recognized gay married or was soon to be gay married couples. |
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GODZ!
Victim of the BAN BLUDGEON Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 3623 BNet Acct/Realm: ECWK 0.00 Silvarrr |
there is a new testament which is jesus and the old testament which was the start of the world and time and everything as we know it. or the jewish bible. |
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B[x]
 Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 6130 BNet Acct/Realm: Retired 0.00 Silvarrr |
i like to bowl.. heh, been bowling since i was 4, made captain of my HS team. anyway, not to get off track here, i perfectly agree with you, except for the issue on guns. i feel that people should have a right to protect themselves but at the same time i don't like the idea of civilians owning guns, they get into the wrong hands. i guess i'm of two minds on the issue, perhaps if they have a stricter policy on buying a gun, i dunno. oh well, it's late and i'm tired, goodnight. _________________ 
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VoicesLLD
Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 7401 BNet Acct/Realm: Recovering WoW addict. 0.00 Silvarrr |
people are always quick to make the person with the other opinion leave. why should he leave? why should he have to pay the money and go through the ugly effort of moving, to suit someone elses retarded law? voodoo said it best (and i only noticed he mentioned it after typing this), how utterly ignorant of you to even suggest such a thing.
so many atrocities throughout time would have never happened. the world would have been better off if Jesus and every other major religious icon were miss-carriages. but hey, thats just my opinion. marriage isnt about religion anymore. it hasnt been for a long time. the church, the priest, the bible. its all symbols of love for one another, not what you beleive in religion wise. if it were supposed to be dictated as the bible says, then every non-christian shouldnt be allowed to be married by a christian priest. im anti religion. i have none. im not an athiest, im not anything with a label. i just dont beleive in any one entity, i do, however, beleive in karma. but, when i get married, it will be in a church, by a priest, with a bible. or perhaps a pirate captain at sea on a tug boat. passing a law to not recognize gay marriage is, as mentioned, a huge step backwards for civilization as a whole. next, women wont be allowed to vote, and americans will have slaves. good bye civilized future, hello Salem, Massachusetts 1692. _________________ 
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Inexorable
Joined: 22 Feb 2004 Posts: 1057 BNet Acct/Realm: TheSupplier, Cancerofdabowel 0.00 Silvarrr |
I'm from Michigan myself. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, even my republican parents, voted against Proposal 2. _________________ 
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xX_marie_Xx
Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 994 BNet Acct/Realm: useast [nl] Montreal Canada 0.00 Silvarrr |
I just dont get it. Other than the argument of religion (which has been succefully rebutted time and time again) There is no Logical explanation for banning homosexual marriages. So why? honestly im agnostic and i dont feel that religious cerimonies should be banned because I dont believe in them. Or that the importance of the church in the educational system and EVERYWHERE should be censored or stopped on the self centered assumption that One religion should dictate ones actions despite the fact that one may not believe in that religion. For example in the middle east women are forced to wear the veil and have absolutely no rights.....Because of religion...so no gay marriages under civil law for gays...because of religion? thank god for human rights and the all american dream of freedom.
****hope i dont offend anyone
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zoe_lldgod
Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 405 0.00 Silvarrr |
And you're all quick to jump on me for saying that. It's the truth. If you really don't like it here, why don't you leave? You must like some aspect of the country to remain here. By the way, the whole religion thing. Several of the founding fathers said America would only remain true to itself as long as it had a standard of morals. They chose the Bible. Interesting. Edit: When Iran had a shah still, the women of Iran actually protested to gain back the right to wear those veils. |
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B[x]
Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 6130 BNet Acct/Realm: Retired 0.00 Silvarrr |
democracy is about the right to an opinion, why do you think we vote? just because the democrats lost this election doesn't mean it's over, there's another in 4 years. also, if enough people are unsatisfied with the government, they have the right to overthrow the government, it's written in the constitution (at least i'm almost positive it is, haven't learned this stuff for a couple years). and like voodoo pointed out, it's not that easy to just pick up and leave. perhaps the easiest and most logical thing to do is to try to change things. if you don't like hearing people complain, why don't you leave? either that or just tune them out, they have a right.
they chose the bible because most everyone who lived in the US followed it. times change, what we consider the norm now is completely different than what they did back then. why would follow a set of conduct that was established centuries ago when, by todays standards, it holds no water?
ok? i don't see how this helps your point, if anything, it hurts it. first you say that if we don't like it here, we should leave and now you're saying that women protested and got what they wanted. why couldn't they just leave the country if they didn't like it? _________________
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