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[zori]

as there are quiet bunch of these 'tards on low duel games rather often i might want to get anti FoH eq though would be nice to know how much dmg they usually do and how much does conviction add to -all res

another thing that i find out to be quite annoying is that i cant dmg HLD druids with 49 orber that has 700orb dmg and -200% to cold res they just recast that ele armor and continue being immortals they all have dual ravens and snowclash (or w/e was that belt with cold absorb called?)

[Meegz ?]

foh'ers will have a conviction that lowers resistances by 150% and if they use just standard gear they will do around 4k foh damage without getting into combat charms or facets. best way to counter this is with 4soc shield that has 4xptopazes in it. or you can get a hld bowazon and keep them in block/fhr and kill em that way.

and if you want to duel ele druids on an orber, you had better have a good merc

[Knifer]

doesnt snowclash only do like +15 absorb? (as in not %) main thing it has on it is +15 max cold res.

anyway, druids' cyclone armor has resist of 0, so the -res doesnt do much vs. them. if you can get their cyclone armor off though the -res kicks in.

conviction has a max of -150 res and they might also have facets or -light res gear on. i think pure fohers get ~6k light dmg, i forget though.

a good way to counter it is to get a kira helm and put a 15res jewel inside. if you dont mind absorbing as well, you can use a lightsabre and dual wisps. if you are a paladin you can use a +45res shield with 4 p topazs inside of it. maybe wearing a guardian angel with a 15 res jewel if you feel so inclined to do so. there is plenty of good light res gear out there, just gotta search for them and find out which doesnt cripple you too much and still keeps you at the top of your game.

[zori]

problem is that my dueler is 49 lvl so i guess that i just wont be able to beat some of em as my equipement is limited
thx for help.

[Exgreenberet]

Hi Zori, I dont ususally have a problem dealing with Fohers, either with my low, mid or high duelers. Theres plenty of gear you can stack resist with.

I duel mid lev alot too - with a smiter. Verses a good foher I put on my guardian angel, tgod belt (my standard, full-time belt anyway), for helm either rockstopper or blackhorn (with Ort), a sweet pair of boots (which shall not be named) that has 47 resist, and I switch my normal hoz with one that has a diamond in it (of course you can go with a total resist helm, but I like the sweet sweet mods on hoz too much). This puts my light resist at 95+ and with the sorb if I think its needed.

Another option, if you can spare the point, is a point in Salavation. I cant spare the point on my mid-lev, but I did with my high lev paly. Just 5 points in salvation puts you at 85 resist all - so thats a good boost.

Anyway, I study this stuff religiously and make all kinds of nerdy charts and graffs. Here is some of what I have put together for fighting those lightning devils:

LIGHTNING ABSORB:
Blackhorn's Face, helm +20 L Abs Lev 41
Thundergod's, belt +20 L Abs Lev 47
+10% To Max L Res
Lightsabre, sword +25% L Abs Lev 58
Djinn Slayer, sword (Ladder) +3-7 L Abs Lev 65
Spirit Keeper, Druid Helm +9-14 L Abs Lev 67
Wisp Projector, Ring +10-20% L Abs Lev 76
Stormlash Scourge +3-9 L Abs Lev 82

LIGHTING MAX RESIST:
Dark Glow, armor +5 Max All Res +CBF Lev 14
Holy Thunder RW Scepter +5 Max L Res Lev 23
Lo Rune +5% Max L Res Lev 59
Guardian Angel, armor +15 Max All Res Lev 45
Thundergod's, belt +10 Max L Res +20 L Abs Lev 47
Fortide L-RW Weapon/Armor +5 Max L Res 20-30 all Lev 59
Dragon L-RW Armor/Shield +5 Max L Res Lev 61
Phoenix L-RW Shield +5 Max L Res Lev 65


ARMOR light resist:
Sigons +30
Sparkling Mail +30
Ort in armor +30
Duriels Shell +20
Duress RW +15
Rain RW (Druid) +30
Tals +40
Aldurs +40-50


SHIELDS light resist:
Stormguild +25
Topaz in shield +40
Ort in shield +35
Ancients Pledge RW +48
Spirit L-RW +35
Stormchaser +50
Stormshield +25
Heavens +30


ARMOR light resist:
Sigons +30
Sparkling Mail +30
Ort in armor +30
Duriels Shell +20
Duress RW +15
Rain RW (Druid) +30
Tals +40
Aldurs +40-50

SHIELDS light resist:
Stormguild +25
Topaz in shield +40
Ort in shield +35
Ancients Pledge RW +48
Spirit L-RW +35
Stormchaser +50
Stormshield +25
Heavens +30

HELMS light resist:
crafted safety helm +5-10
Coif of Glory +15
Irathas +30
Ort in helm +30
Lore RW +30
Rockstopper +20-40
Blackhorn (+20 sorb) +15
Sazabis +15-20

BELTS light resist:
IK +31

BOOTS light resist:
Nats +15-25

AMULETS light resist:
Highlords +35
Tals +33

[heprea]

Lo rune is 6x lvl req :) not 35 ^^

[ubermoose]

To get 75 res in normal agaisnt an foher you will need at least 225 light res.

And imo if you dont have max res then absorb does nearly nothing to help you.

For lvl 49 i would go for:

90 light res helm [ort ort ort]
50 res viper
90 res shield

Then if you want to absorb too you could go for tgods and blackhorns face [ort'ed] using some light res sc's to make up the res lost in your helm.

[zori]

there are some quite usefull eq againt FoHers & Lightning as Exgreenberet already mentioned though some of em have quite high light res
gotta read that list through more carefully when im not this tired what i could come up with now would be
3 * p topaz shield: 120 light res (using this one will currently drop my max block to 24% so he might just charge me to death after that but maybe artisans kite/tower shield of deflecting with 3 p topaz?)
3 * ort helm: 90 light res
Viper + um 50 all res (mine is 49)

in total this would give 184 stacked light res (actually 214) with norm/nm/hell anya's? then some light res jewels and i should have enough stacked res to keep light res up and i actually wouldnt have to sacrifice too much of dmg?

now another problem will be that even with this high resists will i be able to survive that +6k light dmg for long as i have ~650 health atm (should be +1k when i get charms etc ready)
although.. most FoHers that are out there in low duels are bad.. as my sorc sometimes can take 1 hit with -50 light resists and still survive so their dmg cant be that high and with this equipement i should survive those at least

thx for help again

[SoaringSquirrel]

Just make a HLD to kill them with.

[zori]

[Hades]

for your 49. make a low str treachery and run around say frigid highlands with no shield till lvl 15 fade kicks in and if you can even hit things till you get lvl 15 venom too. With the Fade on you will have 61% all res 15%dr.

[MiniMe]

You could make your own FoHdin with offensive gcs. If your conviction level is higher then theirs i think it cancels theirs out, no?

[Bloody_Bartuc]

I <3 my foher. Lol, its soooo satisfying to kill sorcs with. If you want to beat a foher, challenge them in norm. Also, not too many have *great* matchups vs fohers, best i can think of is smiters and bvc. Smiters normally can charge/smite em with a good rate of success, unless the foher is smart and can cycle tele/conv quickly enough to chip away at the smiter. BVC is a good matchup simply because of the time it takes for conv to lock on, the barb has already hacked through ya. However, holy shield always makes for a problem.

[Wank]

To counter it with a lvl 49 build... meh your gonna depend on stack / sorb. Unless you make an ele druid, with summons and a tele charge u could get em. Nut w/o the tele you could say no to this build, cause it would stink to make ele druid w/o tele.

[metalzoav2]

I was thinking of making a Double Dream FoH HLD. Equipment should look something like this:

Helm: Dream
Shield: 40+ Rez Pally Shield (then make Dream in that)
Armor: Chains of Honor (or Engima, not sure. FRW/Tele is sexy ...)
Weapon: Hoto
Rings: Soj, RFrost
Amulet: Maras

Boots: No idea
Gloves: No idea

About 5+ Offensive GC, Torch, Anni

The idea is to have one of them Pallys that can move around fast enough, smash em with a fully synergized dualdream setup ... and FoH them down in chunks.

Good build? Or Im just dreaming too much?