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krajee
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject:
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Jukie wrote: | hey will, would using 20 ed/ -req jewels be alright to use? or just max for the sacrafice pally? | Sacrifice already gives a lot of ed%, so you'll get more damage from min/max.
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Jukie
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject:
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Gheed wrote: | Jukie wrote: | hey will, would using 20 ed/ -req jewels be alright to use? or just max for the sacrafice pally? | Sacrifice already gives a lot of ed%, so you'll get more damage from min/max. |
are there any vlld builds that use ed over max?
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Bountiehunter
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Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject:
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I cant think of any due to the fact that at low levels your damage isnt going to be high enough for ed to matter at all without dmg jewels.
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GODZ!
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:14 am Post subject:
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psuedo i know that jabbers can use 20ed's to replace 9 max's but thats all they replace. example.
jabber uses 3x 9's in helm, 3x 9's in shield, and if she has 4x 20ed in armor its the same as 4x 9's in armor.
zons can use one piece of equip as ed for good dmg but never more than one piece. 20ed=9max
im not home right now so i don't have what it takes for sp and testing and stuff but im thinking that most likely zons are the only char that can use ed in body gear effectively.
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krajee
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:36 pm Post subject:
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GODZ! wrote: | zons can use one piece of equip as ed for good dmg but never more than one piece. 20ed=9max | ed% increases min damage too, so if you have a few x-y dmg jewels, you'll get a decent increase.
20ed isn't "equal" to 9max.
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Jukie
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject:
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so you wouldn't use 20 ed jewels in a shield or a helm, like a 15 sup crown with 20/-15 req jewels to have a similar req str as a crown, but have more defence
isnt ed like using a mini max jewel? adds so much to minimum and so much to maximum damage
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wfg-dude
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject:
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Jukie wrote: | so you wouldn't use 20 ed jewels in a shield or a helm, like a 15 sup crown with 20/-15 req jewels to have a similar req str as a crown, but have more defence
isnt ed like using a mini max jewel? adds so much to minimum and so much to maximum damage |
Most vlld I see use masks...not crowns due to the str reqs. Unless you are planning a defensive build which will cost you dearly either in godly -req/max, ed, etc jewels or in str reqs.
I'd say you want max AND ed or max...not pure ed. Not sure about how it works for zons...but max typically works best at the vlld level.
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food-ranger
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject:
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wfg-dude wrote: | Jukie wrote: | so you wouldn't use 20 ed jewels in a shield or a helm, like a 15 sup crown with 20/-15 req jewels to have a similar req str as a crown, but have more defence
isnt ed like using a mini max jewel? adds so much to minimum and so much to maximum damage |
Most vlld I see use masks...not crowns due to the str reqs. Unless you are planning a defensive build which will cost you dearly either in godly -req/max, ed, etc jewels or in str reqs.
I'd say you want max AND ed or max...not pure ed. Not sure about how it works for zons...but max typically works best at the vlld level. |
ed/max jewels are only good for weapons, otherwise their worthless
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Jukie
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:35 pm Post subject:
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food-ranger wrote: | wfg-dude wrote: | Jukie wrote: | so you wouldn't use 20 ed jewels in a shield or a helm, like a 15 sup crown with 20/-15 req jewels to have a similar req str as a crown, but have more defence
isnt ed like using a mini max jewel? adds so much to minimum and so much to maximum damage |
Most vlld I see use masks...not crowns due to the str reqs. Unless you are planning a defensive build which will cost you dearly either in godly -req/max, ed, etc jewels or in str reqs.
I'd say you want max AND ed or max...not pure ed. Not sure about how it works for zons...but max typically works best at the vlld level. |
ed/max jewels are only good for weapons, otherwise their worthless |
would you use the similar logic of a -60 req 80 ed armor with possible ar and life maybe in a 15 sup 3os crown? for example, a -45 req 60 ed ar and life crown, over a 3os mask with 3x mediocre max jewels?
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Clops
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject:
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hes saying jewels with ed and max are only good for weapons due to the bug
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Jukie
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Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject:
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Clops wrote: | hes saying jewels with ed and max are only good for weapons due to the bug |
i know what he is saying lol...
i'm asking his opinion on a completely different matter
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wfg-dude
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Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:37 pm Post subject:
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This guide..as I remember it... it about a "basic" guide to building this char. -req/max jewels are about as common as finding (not buying) a Zod rune. So, what I'm saying is that typically vlld's use masks over crowns to save the reqs cuz I don't know too many ppl with 10+ -req/max jewels.
If they have that many jewels then this guide is too basic for them and they wouldn't be posting here I'm guessing.
By all means use crown...or while you're at it get some eth/rep stuff.
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