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Bloody_Bartuc
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:49 pm Post subject:
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What is good life/ar/damage for a 29 concer? Mine is currently 1.2k life, 6.5 k ar (bad), and damamge is about 800 average. What do the best ( or at least good ) barbs stats have. Also, how do concers compare to WWers? Is one build really better than the other?
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Sad
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject:
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id imagine it'd do pretty good b/c of the high defense, btw what is urs w/ and w/o conc bonus.
the life seems pretty decent, ar is low, dmg seems like the same as what ive seen most concers have. as long as your hitting a good attack frame he should be ok.
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Spazz
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:05 pm Post subject:
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My concer had 1500 life, 7200 Defence (With damage gear), 9000 AR, 2400 Damage (with eth naga)
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Shademehr
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject:
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My current (LADDER) conc barb has 2172 life, 6400 def (norm), 10560 def (conc), 7534 ar, and does 1312 max dmg (NOT including crits).
His gear still isn't optimal though. The def on my helm is POOR to say the least, and I need more 3/xx/14-15 sc's. But I think I"m doing OK so far for a ladder conc barb.
edit: forgot to mention, I'm level 30 though.
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Knarl
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject:
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Shad, are you hell rushed? Was yours hell rushed, Spazz?
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Bloody_Bartuc
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:52 pm Post subject:
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Yeah, my concer isnt hellrushed, which is maybe why his def is really bad? (3400). Yeah, i know my ar is low, im iso of fine sc's.
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Knarl
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject:
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My norm rushed conc barb, lvl 29 (just made him a new shield...64 max artisans tower of deflecting):
453-1956
7562 AR
1286 Def
1655 Life
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Bloody_Bartuc
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject:
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Also, whats better? Angelics rings + ammy, or choas noose + 2 sojs. $ bo 4 shout 4 masterey 4 conc seems hard to pass up, but is the ar bonus so high i should still use gelics?
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Shademehr
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject:
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Knarl wrote: | Shad, are you hell rushed? |
Yeah mine is. He's a pubby dueler. The extra skills are nice as it allowed me to pick up a few skills that I might not have gotten otherwise. But the 1k def armor he's wearing helps even more i think (at least with his defense).
Bloody_Bartuc wrote: | Also, whats better? Angelics rings + ammy, or choas noose + 2 sojs. $ bo 4 shout 4 masterey 4 conc seems hard to pass up, but is the ar bonus so high i should still use gelics? |
I haven't a clue what a chaos noose is (nL dupe?), but a 2 warcry ammy and 2 sojs are good for prebuffing before tough duels. Then switch back to angelics. At least, this works on Ladder pretty well.
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Spazz
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 5:46 am Post subject:
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Wtf?
Shade, I find those stats hard to believe, even though your damage blows.
Actually, I wont edit this out but you ARE level 30, and that opens up a lot of stuff so I guess its possible.. and on second glance they aren't that great. I do find it weird you got that much life and defence at the same time, as generally life needs to be sacrificed for defence in LLD.
Everyone post their gear selections?
Also, Knarl, I've tested with godly gear before, and teh defensive barb is a LOT better than offensive using twitch/knout etc.
Also, I was Grushed yes.
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Bloody_Bartuc
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 8:59 am Post subject:
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K, spazz, my gear is as follows.
Armor : upped twitch, but iso artisans ancient armor of the squid
Boots: sanders
Rings: angelics
Ammy: Angelics
Gloves: BFists
Helm: Pcrown, but iso 3 sock barb helm, hopefully with wc mods or combat skills mods
Weap: Honor Naga, but i might use Honor Knout or Honor Zweihander
Shield: Rhyme Grim Shield
Also, for those of you who dont know, chaos noose amulet is a NL duped amulet with 2 to barb skills, 19 to str and dex, and a lil bit to resistances.
Also, spazz, if one of your accounts holy_spz or something like that? Cuz a 30 concer kicked my ass with an acc of that name. Anyways, ty for input.
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 9:18 am Post subject:
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no spazz is on east, holy_spz4 is somoene different.
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Shademehr
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:25 pm Post subject:
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Spazz wrote: | Wtf?
Shade, I find those stats hard to believe, even though your damage blows.
Actually, I wont edit this out but you ARE level 30, and that opens up a lot of stuff so I guess its possible.. and on second glance they aren't that great. I do find it weird you got that much life and defence at the same time, as generally life needs to be sacrificed for defence in LLD.
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Wow...I went from "unbelieveable" to "not that great" in mere minutes. The only NON-prebuff gear that I would lose by staying 29 would be my IK gloves. Changing my prebuff gear would only result in the loss of +2 (total) to my warcries, iirc.
Here's my setup:
15% superior honor naga (NOT eth)
+2conc 3os helm (with +45max dmg in jewels) (def 29 )
13% superior Rhyme Shield (def 170)
rare Ornate Plate (eth repair and 1 20maxer) (def 1034)
angelic rings/amulet
IK set: belt and gloves
Sanders boots (def 6 )
charms:
10/75/23 Grand Charm
25 15life small charms
2/19/15
3/10/15
2/19/15
3/15/15
2/13/15
3/14/15
3/17/12
2/19/14
15/1 defense x2
14/18 defense
15/16 defense
Prebuff Gear:
2 sojs
1 +5bo helm
+2 warcry amulet
+2 barb skill armor
Spirit Swords x 2
(note: this gives me level 16shout/23bo (perfect?)/14command)
My areas of improvement:
1. a higher defense barb helm with better +skills (i currently have a 205defense eth/repair grand crown with 2os but not sure if i want to use it yet)
2. Rhyme is just too sexy to pass up so I don't think I can ditch it for my Glorious Grim Shield of Deflection just yet (it has 226 def though)
3. a POSSIBLE remake with the addition of ww since I don't do very well vs the godly smiters right now. (I can usually outlast low to mid quality smiters, though, due to my high life).
4. Some sort of godly war boots (higher defense)
5. More dmg/ar/life sc's. Although, I think I'm doing well in this area for so soon in ladder.
6. An eth naga for situations where i need considerably more damage.
7. Better Jewels. I currently have 3 23 maxers but I'm reluctant to put them in my current gear. Once I'm completely satisfied with my gear, then I'll put the good jewels in.
Opinions/critiques? I hope this erases any skepticism
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:36 pm Post subject:
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my level 30 ww barb when using conc gets
2249 life
8579 def (around 13k when using conc)
7590 ar
1827 damage
11 frame conc
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Spazz
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Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2005 12:42 pm Post subject:
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That 1 level really does make a huge difference I swear.
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