LLD101

[Cenobite]

I've been making lld's for a few years now. (My most favorite type of dueling) I've had my own thoughts over the years on what exactly is classified a "low level dueler". Now for anyone who has ever joined a game called "low level dueling" etc on b.net you know that noone there is low level.. (the only people who join are at least lvl 70). For me, anything higher than lvl 29 I don't consider a "lld". When it comes to me, lvl9-29 is what I call "lld" At this range in level the battle field is still fairly even. I have made lvl9 assassins that took out lvl 29 easy. (higher than that if the person was not built to be a lld). So if built right even the lowest lvl of duelers have some chance at a lvl 29.

The reason for this is at level 30 you are granted access to the lvl 30 skills which can be very powerful. One example of this would be 2 barbs dueling. One barb is lvl29, the other is lvl 30. The lvl 30 is almost guaranteed the win if he has put the 1 point into wirlwind. There is just no competition when it comes to ww vs non ww. (Maybe a thrower barb could do it, but anything else and I'm betting on the ww barb).

This is just one example, but this works with other classes as well. I am still working out a level category for dueling. I will try to post it when it's done as I would like to have some feedback on it when it's completed.

In any case, this is just my own opinion so I am sure there will be others who disagree.

[Inexorable]

Just having the skills does not necessarily make the dueler better. Believe you me, I've killed MANY a 30+ whirlwind barb with my 29 zealot. And ask ANYONE that has tried to even HIT a barb while he's in WW.. doesn't happen. LLD as as much about strategy as it is gear. Gotta know what you're doing.

[Saytun]

http://wirsz.phpwebhosting.com/LLDBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1034&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Already done for you although there are some arguements for different classes its been worked out through experience of dueling these builds and where we can level the playing field.

There are obviously exceptions, i personally duel level 9's and my level 18 pally.

But I would read through the ruleset thats already in place and go from there.

Saytun

[Belarathon]

[B[x]]

[VoicesLLD]

why is this even in strategies? seems like a half ass suggestion turned discussion to me.

as for your level 9 sin. if it doesnt exist anymore. make it on open bnet. id like to duel it vs my level 29 paladin, since you could easily take it out.

[Cenobite]

I've dueled a lvl 29 (built for llding) with my lvl 9 assassin and won on a number of occasions. (im not saying I always win but I do win at least 50% of the time). I also spent a good 2 years collecting very hard to find jewels and items. I have a lvl 9 asn with 600+ life. I usually only use rare jewels as they can get alot more mods on them,and I usually never use anything lower than 14max on a jewel. Be prepared to spend a VERY long time rolling rare jewels as it will take you 100's of pskulls to do it. ( but ohh soo worth it in the end). With fully charged ts I'm clocking in at about 1550x damage. All I need is 1 good hit and it's game over.

Blocking has alot to do with it as well. Best shield I ever found for a lvl9 was a rare 17/30/20 bone shield with 15ar and 2 sockets. (I love that shield =P). For a claw you can't beat a good 2 socket rare. Im currently using an eth rare 2 socket blade talon with repair dura on it and 10ias. it's got 2 rare 14max jewels with other mods socketed in it. It gets 18-62 damage, lvl 9 req. Took me close to a year and a half to find the claw and roll the jewels. This is a very ballpark estimate but it took me roughly 3000+ pksulls to roll both jewels. (Whew!!)

[B[x]]

those numbers don't add up. on my max build i don't use all 14s though i do have several and she tops out at 1637 max.
what's your account? i'd like to see her (assuming she's east NL).

[Cenobite]

[VoicesLLD]

[B[x]]

ceno, i was neither arguing or saying that my char was better nor did i imply that the highest max damage wins. i was simply saying that your numbers don't add up.
now, can you answer my question as to what realm you're on and what your account name is?

[diet_sushi]

hmm about the topic now

yes it seems i have seen lots of 70+ lvl chars making games called LOW LVL DUELS or NORM DUELS and even 1-20 duels (the whole game was filled with 70+ lvls) theyre just there so they can get eazy kills every time i ask wtf they are doing in the game they always reply "I AM HERE TO WATCH" 5 seconds into the duel they come out and hostile everyone and say "ALL VS ME" o well its funny how some of the people in game get pissed and say "HEY MAN IF I'LL GET MY LVL 9999 PALLY SORC DRUID"

[Cenobite]

Did I see the other persons items? no sorry I never. most don't want to show thier items because there is a certian secrecy when it comes to lld builds and items. The person said they were built to lld so I have no reason not to believe them.

[B[x]]

[VoicesLLD]

it was in strategies. i moved it to LLD discussion.

a true LLDer will rarely not want to show off his/her items. if they're proud of the character, they like to show why it's strong.

there are only 3 reasons why a person wouldnt show off their items:

1: its a secret build thats not done. meaning they;re most likely easy to kill, as is.
2: they arent actually a LLDer, and are embarassed by their shit items.
3: they are a LLDer, but their items are subpar/below average and dont want to show them.

any LLDer worth fighting, has items worth showing.