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| Smite = Melee? |
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| No |
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Clops
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 Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject:
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i know im a winner already, and iwas being nice and seeing a melees stand point
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Meegz ?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 9:56 pm Post subject:
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cs is in the ranged/open category already, do you want it to be in melee? hope you got a damn good conc barb...cuz that is all that beats a good cs imo.
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krajee
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:03 pm Post subject:
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| bigspot_05 wrote: | | cs is in the ranged/open category already, do you want it to be in melee? hope you got a damn good conc barb...cuz that is all that beats a good cs imo. |
kicker!
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Meegz ?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject:
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| Gheed wrote: | | bigspot_05 wrote: | | cs is in the ranged/open category already, do you want it to be in melee? hope you got a damn good conc barb...cuz that is all that beats a good cs imo. |
kicker! |
oh yeah...not too many have beat my cs zon though...i am on ladder too...so...yeah...kickers will too quite often
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Belarathon
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| Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject:
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what are you talking about? lol, not only am i for cs and smite being in open and not melee, as i stated... i can also tell you that out of all popular melee's, conc barb is probably one of the least likely to beat a cs zon, not the most...
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Meegz ?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:42 am Post subject:
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ever meet shades? i dont see a cs beating it...sorry...
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sPiN
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 4:31 am Post subject:
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| sir_cyclops wrote: | | they own all casters |
lol maybe if they are made to stack sorcs. i've yet to lose to an actual lvl 30 or under smiter. i voted no, only a stupid smiter would lose to a melee.
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hero-lld
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:17 am Post subject:
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my god more people vote no? smiter is melee...u stand there an hit...
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meitou
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:38 am Post subject:
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Smite doesn't need AR, it stuns, and can't be blocked. But still I voted it melee, for 2 reasons.
First, it has no chance against a true ranged char such as bowzon, sorc or bone necro. Not much chance even vs the "semi range" chars such as wwer, charger. So it's kinda pointless to put it into the range group.
Second, in the melee group, it's not dominating, actually it can bring a nice balance. From my experience, conc barb can easily beat fury druid, and I guess it have good chance vs zeal too. On the other hand, fury can beat smite almost all the time, zealer can kill smiter too with some lucky big hits, although not often. Then smiter can kill conc barb almost all the times. So, the pattern is conc>fury/zeal>smite>conc. Well balanced.
For the similar reason, CS could be in melee category too.
Or, they can still be in the gray area, but surely not range char, that would be like a sitting duck.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:47 am Post subject:
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The dictionary definition of "melee" has NOTHING to do with deciding if smite is balanced with other melee skills.
Smite is not melee because it hits 100% of the time.
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Vixen
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:09 am Post subject:
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Wasn't there a hidden cap where everything only hits 95% of the time?
Or was that just spells?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:24 am Post subject:
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Fury is best melee vs. cs.
Conc is probably the worst.
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OSA
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:07 am Post subject:
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D2 melee in my words...
AR.
Blockable attack.
Close combat.
No high ele damage.
Smite to me is considored an open build. They can charge up and pretty much lock almost any char if their frames are low enough.
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SoaringSquirrel
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:40 am Post subject:
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| Knarl wrote: | Melee is hand-to-hand, in-place combat, where physical damage is the majority of the damage being dealt.
Smite is melee. |
What about Holy Shock/Fire (Dream/Dragon/HoJ/Conviction) Zealots, Enchant/Dream Sorcs, Fireclaw Druids, and Rabies druids? They're generally considered melee by pretty much everyone, and they barely do any physical damage (especially in HLD, when they just use a shael'd Phase Blade)
As far as D2 is concerned, melee is an attack executed requiring you to stand next to your opponent to hit, is AR dependent, and can be blocked by a shield. I don't mind placing it into the melee section, however, because it helps maintain balance in the LLD melee category. I just want to clarify that for D2 purposes, smite should not be classified as melee, even though if you hit someone in the face with a shield in real life, you could call that a melee attack.
WW is more of a gray area than smite, since it satisfies all the requirements to be melee, but it's far superior to any melee, and according to game mechanics, you're standing still while WWing, which is why claw block works for assassins during WW. But for the sake of maintaining balance, WW should be kept in ranged/open category, since a barb can take on pretty much anything in that category too, anyway.
Also, meegz - my CS zon beat shade's conc barb without much trouble. She really wasn't very good, compared to what I could've given her on NL, but she could still beat a barb because his defense is meaningless to CS and he's slow enough so that dodge gives me an advantage, while against a zealot or fury druid, their speed would likely put me into dodge lock.
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Meegz ?
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| Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:15 pm Post subject:
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the only real difference i see between nl and ladder is an imp brow... other than that the setup you had would have been the same, cept lower str req gloves? the conc barb i made was rather fast, so i dont know why you say he's slow...i dont think it would be too incredibly hard to be interrupting half or better of a cs'ers hits with a conc barb. then you tack on max resist and that much damage...hrm. seems strange. i just dont get how you would be able to stand there toe to toe with a conc barb and win..you made 86 fhr, yes? with soe on i can see how it would be in your favor, but if you didnt make 86 i dont see it happening...i need to duel you now shade, put your stuff back on algeroth.
and if you really wanna see if smite is melee, hop in a melee hld game full of conc and zeal paladins with your smiter and see how fast you get ganked by 7 pissed off melee's. smite=not melee
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