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Dao Jones
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject:
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Got a summoner Necro in his mid-60s, and I've run out of things to put skill points into. Here's my current allotment:
20 Skeleton Mastery, Raise Skeleton and Corpse Explosion
1 Raise Skeletal Magi, Revive, Clay/Blood/Iron Golem, Golem Mastery, Summon Resist, and Teeth (CE pre-req)
1 Amp Damage, Weaken, Terror, Decrepify
So at level 63 I basically finished my build, and I'm not sure where to go next. Here are my three thoughts:
1. Max Clay Golem, and use him instead of Iron Golem.
2. Max Magi, even though they generally suck.
3. Pump more points into Summon Resist, Golem Mastery, and either Clay or Iron Golem, spread out evenly.
Any thoughts?
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject:
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revive? hell monsters are normally more competent than skeles.
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Waramp
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:42 pm Post subject:
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magis are super
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject:
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Torrent wrote: | revive? hell monsters are normally more competent than skeles. |
No, no they're not. Revives are friggin' morons at any level. Plus, they tend to leave your employ the minute they go off-screen, which is immediately after you start moving. I have one point there so I can quickly recruit "shock troops" if a fight is tough (like cow levels), but I almost never use them in regular play. The five or so Revives I get is more than enough.
My thought is to buff Clay, for use against major boss enemies. But I wanted some insight, possibly from other summoner necro players.
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Waramp
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject:
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oh, this is for pvm then?
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:51 pm Post subject:
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Way to read thread titles.
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MortisNostre
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject:
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id definitely invest some more in revives just because they serve as a a good utility weapon. For instance, if you can revive 5-10 urudars, then yes, your summon necro can take down uber D should he spawn on yer ass.
clay golem > iron golem
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:56 pm Post subject:
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MortisNostre wrote: | id definitely invest some more in revives just because they serve as a a good utility weapon. For instance, if you can revive 5-10 urudars, then yes, your summon necro can take down uber D should he spawn on yer ass. |
Well, I can summon 5 Revived at the moment with my ghetto gear, and I expect that with a little work I can easily add another +2-3 skill to that total. So that'd be around 7-8 Revived with only the one point spent. Do I really need 15-20 Revives that'll wander off and expire 30 seconds after I summon them?
Quote: | clay golem > iron golem |
True. I'm just not sure I need to max him.
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Meegz ?
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:16 am Post subject:
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on a summoner you use iron golem if your merc isnt wearing bramble (i figure his aint)
I would actually put the rest of your points into psn nova or something so you can actually kill a monster to get your skeles...just a thought
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:08 am Post subject:
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Summoners are cool. So is corpse explosion. I haven't played my old one in a while from real early in the ladder reset, but I remember it fairly well.
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Dao Jones wrote: | 1. Max Clay Golem, and use him instead of Iron Golem. |
I wouldn't, but you can, if you want.
Dao Jones wrote: | 2. Max Magi, even though they generally suck. |
Yes, but, honestly, they're better than any other option.
In my opinion, this would be a good idea. They aren't super damage dealers, but they're decent. As stated, they're better than any other option. At least, in my opinion, they are.
Dao Jones wrote: | 3. Pump more points into Summon Resist, Golem Mastery, and either Clay or Iron Golem, spread out evenly. |
Summon resist's diminishing return's are steep, and the skill caps out around 75 resist, I think. You can put a few here if you want, but I wouldn't suggest any more than 5.
Unless you are using a build that entirely relies on a powerful golem to kill everything (which would be kinda neat, anyone tried this?), golem mastery is a 1 point skill. It increases the golem's frw, ar by %, and life. The frw is not very useful past whatever your +skills can get, the ar is not really needed since your golem isn't really much of a damage dealer, and the life bonus is insignificant.
A few posts ago, MortisNostre wrote: | id definitely invest some more in revives just because they serve as a a good utility weapon. For instance, if you can revive 5-10 urudars, then yes, your summon necro can take down uber D should he spawn on yer ass. |
They are very good for that, but:
Afterwards, Dao Jones wrote: | Do I really need 15-20 Revives that'll wander off and expire 30 seconds after I summon them? |
The only thing that putting points into revive does is add more monsters. (# revives = revive level) Since you will get plenty of +skills, you will only need 1 point. Remember that it is skeleton mastery that improves your revives, but revive only adds more. My old summoner had about 15 revives with 1 point into it.
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For now, your best bet would be to max/put points into skeletal mages. They aren't the greatest, but all of the other options aren't that amazing.
Remember, when it comes down to it, put points into whatever floats your boat. High level summoners aren't very good PvP characters, so it is fairly flexible what you use. Oh, and only put 1 into revive.
I did not keep my summoner equipped long enough to try this, but I was thinking of putting a few into bone wall, for protection against random stuff in areas like chaos. Just thought this would be an interesting idea.
Hope this helps. :l
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:38 am Post subject:
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Dao Jones wrote: | MortisNostre wrote: | id definitely invest some more in revives just because they serve as a a good utility weapon. For instance, if you can revive 5-10 urudars, then yes, your summon necro can take down uber D should he spawn on yer ass. |
Well, I can summon 5 Revived at the moment with my ghetto gear, and I expect that with a little work I can easily add another +2-3 skill to that total. So that'd be around 7-8 Revived with only the one point spent. Do I really need 15-20 Revives that'll wander off and expire 30 seconds after I summon them?
Quote: | clay golem > iron golem |
True. I'm just not sure I need to max him. |
7-8 should be fine, maybe another point or two just because.
I wasnt suggesting you max gumby, i was just advocating its use. It really is a one point wonder.
I ended up investing into mages when i was playing a summoner. I honestly dont see another option really. Maybe poison Nova, but im not sure you could synergize it enough for it to have any use in hell.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:33 am Post subject:
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i bumped up bone spear on my summoner necro so that i could kill fallen one s for skellies :D
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Dao Jones
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject:
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Meegz ? wrote: |
I would actually put the rest of your points into psn nova or something so you can actually kill a monster to get your skeles...just a thought |
My old Summoner Necro back in the day was a sort of hybrid. After maxing Summon stuff I maxed Spear (or Spirit?). But because I didn't have enough points to synergize it, what I found was that anything my merc/golem couldn't kill I *also* couldn't kill with my attacks. So now I just keep two pieces of Trang's gear on, so I get the +18 Fireball.
I guess I'll work on Magi, then, since that seems to be the consensus. I was briefly flirting with maxing my Clay Golem just so I could have a brick shithouse tank to go up against tough bosses (and doesn't cost me money or items to raise), but the tougher Magi ought to help as well. Thanks all.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject:
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Meegz ? wrote: | on a summoner you use iron golem if your merc isnt wearing bramble (i figure his aint)
I would actually put the rest of your points into psn nova or something so you can actually kill a monster to get your skeles...just a thought |
Iron Golem's aura is not shared, so really is pointless in that sense. Although Iron Golem's can Be pretty good attackers depending on what you make them out of...a personal favorite for me is ik maul. Cheap, adds +damage to demons/undead and a nice amount of crushing blow.
but as for the rest of your points, i would invest into either a) magis or b) golem/mastery
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject:
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Sad wrote: | Although Iron Golem's can Be pretty good attackers depending on what you make them out of...a personal favorite for me is ik maul. Cheap, adds +damage to demons/undead and a nice amount of crushing blow. |
I think, for the first time ever, I might consider saving IK mauls I find and putting them onto my summoner.
Too bad they can't be ethereal. Ethereal iron golems are fun.
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