LLD101

[55_thunder]

Which is the best lld you ever saw??? which type?
Or.. which is the most fun 2 play /w???

[krajee]

the best lld i ever saw was a necro that shot white things.

the most fun to play with is a sorceress that shoots arrows.

"best" depends on point of view.
"fun" depends on point of view.

If you want othe peoples' opinions, I'm pretty sure there is already a thread for that somewhere.

[Dao Jones]

Questions like this are why I don't high level duel. Everyone is always asking "WUT R TEH 1337IST UBAR DUELZORZ CLAS 2 MAEK??!?!!?1 PLZ GIME ITAMZ 2 SO I CAN B GOLDLY!1?!?!!1!11" Drives me friggin' crazy, because the answer is always the same:

The "best" dueling build is the one built by a good dueler who knows how to maximize the advantages of the build while minimizing the weaknesses.

The "most fun" dueling build is the one you enjoy playing.

Not that I'm implying that that is what you're saying; I just wanted to rant a moment. And you wanted opinions which we can all easily give:

The "best" dueling build I have seen for lld is also the bone necro, with the jeweled zealot a close second. My necro hasn't lost to a single clan-honor built level 30 yet. In his previous incarnation he lost to shdw_deathadder's windy druid, which is also a fantastic build when properly done (and shdw did it properly). I might beat him this time around, tho' - I've gotten better since we last dueled...

The most "fun" build is also more subjective. I favor my necro, which is obviously why I use him. I don't generally like melee duelers, because there's very little strategy in it. "Swing swing swing swing, repeat". And I don't much like sorcs because they tend to only have one attack form (fireball, lightning, or blizzard), without any diversity. Try a few different builds, and you'll start to recognize what you like about dueling, and once you do, you'll be better able to judge what would be most "fun" for you. I like the strategy of dueling with a necromancer; others like the process of building the perfect vlld, while others still enjoy the raw power of a jeweled zealot or fireball sorceress.

[breakbeatz2]

Dao - Answers like yours are the ones that drive me crazy.

When someone asks what dueler is best, I think it is implied that gear and skill level are equal when comparing the different builds. This leaves the only variable as the build itself. For HLD, the obvious answer is a beast/botd or beast/grief tele-ww barb. This build will beat every HLD build right now except a BVB barb. For LLD, I am quite inexperienced, but based on what I have read, I would have to agree that a necro is the best build.

As far as the most fun LLD character, it's obviously a subjective question, but I think the lesser used builds have the highest "fun factor." I would think a singer would be a lot of fun to play.

Lastly, your perception of what high end dueling is like is way off. In fact, many players at the very high end of HLD don't make tele-ww barbs or other all around godly dueling characters. Zealots and fury druids are extremely popular among top players due to the expensive/rare gear they require despite their inability to beat many other builds. They are built only to duel other zealots/druids in druidpk or palapk.

[GODZ!]

ok...ignoring everyone else.

The best build i ever saw would be a tie between mei's druid and bel's necro.
But the most fun char i've ever played is...thats hard. they are all fun.

[Makaveli]

what rare gear do palapk palas use? they all use the same thing usually =/

your right about hld... its not like that for a lot of people... you may see idiots like that on d2jsp but they arent the type of people i would hld with...

lotsa hld players try uncommon chars... the uncommon ones are hte ones i play most + have the most fun with actually... i have a 2handed fury druid for vs all (its so fun! 4 fpa, 11k dmg, 245 r/w, 6.6k life, 75+ all res depending on eq)... and a wof trapper... and a psn java zon...

im still new to lld, but my 2hand charger is really fun i also like playing my necro cuz it reminds me of my days playing 09 necros

[Dao Jones]

[Makaveli]

if you're basing your opinions of hld on the hld people you run into in public games, of course you are gonna think that way...

if you take private hld communities (equivalent of lld101 for lld)... it is much different... and you see viable non-cookiecutter builds and good mannered duels....

[giantsquid]

[ATOMICMAN]

eth temp exile zealot would fair pretty well, 40+k def is damn hard for a ww barb to hit

[Belarathon]

My old fire sorc was nothing special and she could tank some of the most respected BvC barbs on east while they were using hotspurs, I always considered barb as the easiest or 2nd easiest kill for my sorc. And don;t bother saying "oh i gaurentee you they weren't skilled ones" because they didn;t even need skill, I was tanking, all they had to do was click, and some of them had 100% perf gear. The best overall build for lld, If you hasve the proper gear, I would say is necro. If every lld101 rule is being followed, i think hammerdin and necro can beat everything. If lld101 rules aren;t being followed, then any type of sorc can basically beat a necro with the right amount of skill. But i still think overall, even without lld101 rules, a lvl 30 nec will beat the most builds and lose to the least builds sorceress and good fury druid are also good though, those would be the top 3

[Makaveli]

did this sorc use 15/70s ~

[Dao Jones]

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[Dao Jones]