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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:34 pm    Post subject:  

heh time to give life to an olddd post, i read the whole thing and learned alot.

i've decided to make a kicker lvl 30 (which what the should be legally!!)

heres my items to start:

+2 ma scissors katar 30% ias 2 * eth runes

rhyme grim shield, whitstans whats a good choice for what duel?

rare war boots 30% frw resists

string of ears belt or ik belt? pros and cons

+2 ma gloves 10% ias resists

2 *angelic rings

angelic ammy

+2 ma circlet 111 attack rating 10% res all +8 strength dmg red by 4 (shaeled)

i also have a +2 shadow circlet visionary mods some ele dmg and mdr by 4 (shaeled)

which is better is the question??

armour: eth silks shaeled, spirit shroud shaeled, vipermagi shaeled, rattlecage shaeled,3 sokt 70+ life armour shaels.

whats the best out of them for my other gear?

this is what i understand about the claws not being used on switch...

there + skills mods add to your attack eg: 2 * +2 ma claws will give all your ma skills +4 even when not being used?? and same goes for shadow, what about ias mods? or ele dmg? or even eth runes.

anyways... charms will mostly be ar/life charms my choices are limited here.

i will have 50% fhr for most duels, when should i go for 90% fhr?

should i spend a couple of points in claw block to block smiters and sorces/casters? or is it pretty much useless since it cant block when moving?

are shadow warriors usefull? and when u telekick do they come with you, i also heard about a bug here necro spirits automatically go to them instead of you?

hmm, thats about all i have to say/ask do any of you godly kickers have problems with resists? and how good is my gear choices compared to yours?

thanks guys Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:53 am    Post subject:  

i think shadow sucks, i tried it once
it wastes mana nd many skill pnts, puts a cool down on your DF and dies in 1 hit. in short if this little guy was helping you win, u could have won anyway.

1 in WB.

the +2shadow claws for going against casters is good, = more wb, also use these to buff bos.

advise u shop +2shadow blade talons and have ias in the dominate one. resistance in the non-dominant one.

put 1 fade too, extra 50% resisatance is good many times

recomend SOE, the MDR and 15%dr is good,
NO IK bc your using +2ma gloves = much better imo not intill 31 do u use the 3 IK trio = boots+gloves+belt

u only need +4maskills to = 5kicks.
gloves + circ = 5 kicks.. u could use strength talons now to gain some serious +str +vit +crushing.

u could also try for a 6 kick kicker.
circ +gloves +talons +2maammy +2sojs +rattlecage +rhmye
unfortunatly u get light dmg on the sojs,,, thats a risk. u can Pdiamond the circ/armor for more AR since u dont have angelics.. the slvl 30 DT adds alot more ar% then the slvl24.

id use
whitsans + spirit shroud
rhmye + rattlecage

either is up to you, whitsans will save quite a bit of dex.
cage offers decent crushing.


50%fhr is fine. going 90 is a waste usually

the gear u have is awsome, the circ is pretty damn great same with gloves and the claw.


resisatance is a problem, focus on cold,light first. i have a few resiatnce/15 sc's and some cold/light 30%gc's for stacking.

also 1 TS is not bad idea. i use it very often


stats on score go
919 life
280-480 dmg (5kicks) 800-1350 fully charged
7.5k ar
50%FHR
physical Dmg reduced 14%
18 MDR
42% weapon block c/c
fire 60% (14% lc in stash)
cold 75% +3% stacked (able to be stacked another+88%)
light 75% +6% stacked (able to be stacked another+140%)
psn 30%

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:24 pm    Post subject:  

im also making one of these and was thinking of switching to shdw claws to vers casters then switch back to ryhme vers melle.

problems: when i switch i wont have any cbf
then again i could use spirit shoud and whitens, but then il lose rattle cage mods Crying or Very sad


way too much strength to use war boots so ill have crap life around (650), was also thinkin to use up'd goblin toes to save life and have some crushin blow.

if any 1 has a suggest, im in need Smile ty

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:14 pm    Post subject:  

kool i have a 2 sokt 2 shadow 20 ias blade talons^^

and what about that thing on switch where it adds bonuses? was i right there, if so thats damn awesome
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:21 pm    Post subject:  

u dont get mods for weapons on "II" when your on "I"
u can use the +shadow to buff bos ofcourse.. or venom.

but your not getting +weaponblock with +2shadows on switch"II" while using "I"

uppd gtoes are pretty good.. u sac kick dmg for crushing +life, its a decent trade-off unless u meet up with 7 sol runes.

ull have to use shroud for CBF vs casters.
and the cage +rhmye for melee

650 life is horrible. u need more +15sc's, those alone will give u 600life.....or consider the whitsans + shroud combo to save more dex. a str claw + gtoes will be plenty of crushing imo.

IMO the kicker is best made with tons of gear switchs for optimization....my stash is basically full with switch gear. for all around kicker building id say get use to it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:17 pm    Post subject:  

i was planning on using some ar gcs with about 100 ar (with 2nd mod of course)

thats why i wont be getting as much life as i would of hoped.
i was thinkin of using 8 100 ar gcs, for really good ar but i think ill cut down to 4-5

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:37 pm    Post subject:  

ok so heres my setup the way i think it should be...

for any melee duel
up'd bloodfists
soe
rare war boots
angelic rings and ammy
2 ma circlet, shaeled
rhyme grim shield
rattlecage, p ruby
2 ma 30 ias claw with 2 * eth runes

this is build versus elemental casters:
up'd bloodfists
soe
rare war boots
angelic rings and ammy
2 ma circlet, shaeled
15% sup rhyme grim shield or resist stacking shield
perfect vipermagi, 15 res all jewel
2 ma 30 ias claw with 2 * eth runes

this build versus high defence chars (slow hitting):
up'd bloodfists
soe
rare war boots
angelic rings and ammy
2 ma circlet, shaeled
rhyme grim shield
rattlecage, p ruby
2 ma 30 ias claw with 2 * eth runes

this build versus fast hitting duelers:
up'd bloodfists
soe
rare war boots
angelic rings, ammy
2 ma circlet, shaeled
rhyme grim shield
rattle cage, p ruby
2 ma 30ias claw 2 * eth runes

this build for smiters/bone necros:
up'd bloodfists
soe
rare war boots
angelic rings and ammy
2 ma circlet, shaeled
spirit shroud, p ruby vs smiters/rattlecage, p ruby vs necs
2 ma 30 ias claws 2 * eth runes
2 shadow 20 ias claws 2 * eth runes

if i left any build vs builds out please tell me^^

edit: if i use fade how will that affect my kick speed if i'm using 30 ias scissors katar -10 base speed, i looked at tables and i'm still confused

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:10 am    Post subject:  

so uve decided not to use fade at any time?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:14 am    Post subject:  

depends on d talon break points i might use it all the time it all depends on the break points and i still dont under stand them properly
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 11:38 pm    Post subject:  

So confused... I read through the thing, but most of the links are down.

To get 7/2 speed, on a level 49 kicker I need 54 ias with a -30 claw?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 7:10 am    Post subject:  

7/3 is fastest.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:25 pm    Post subject:  

meitou wrote:
7/3 is fastest.


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How come there are people in the essay talking about getting 7/2...

How much ias do I need to get 7/3?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:46 pm    Post subject:  

just shdw wrote:
I think kickers should stay lvl 30, mines 26 ( accidentaly ) and rips through almost anything except a lvl 35 godly as conc barb.
she has 11xxhp 450 - 55x kick dmg 7.5k ar and 8xx def. Twisted Evil
31 would be to overpowered imo, if i'm wrong tell me Confused

she uses strength blade talons
rare war boots
3 p ruby helm (15% grand crown) and 4 p ruby armour (embossed 15%)
deaths gloves and belt
angelics rings and ammy
eld eld 2 sokt bone shield of deflecting with enhanced defense mod
full life and ar charms plus some strength and dex.
she could be alot better... ( charms are kinda sucky ).


If kickers are the best melees on west you are really missing out on good pvp...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 6:55 pm    Post subject:  

2much wrote:
just shdw wrote:
I think kickers should stay lvl 30, mines 26 ( accidentaly ) and rips through almost anything except a lvl 35 godly as conc barb.
she has 11xxhp 450 - 55x kick dmg 7.5k ar and 8xx def. Twisted Evil
31 would be to overpowered imo, if i'm wrong tell me Confused

she uses strength blade talons
rare war boots
3 p ruby helm (15% grand crown) and 4 p ruby armour (embossed 15%)
deaths gloves and belt
angelics rings and ammy
eld eld 2 sokt bone shield of deflecting with enhanced defense mod
full life and ar charms plus some strength and dex.
she could be alot better... ( charms are kinda sucky ).


If kickers are the best melees on west you are really missing out on good pvp...


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject:  

sorta confused as to why you chose steel clash

also....at lvl 22 you shouldtest the unige mask "face mask of horror"
bonuses 20 str an 10 resists all (1os possibility also)

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