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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:59 am    Post subject:  London explosions  
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_eu/britain_explosion

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_eu/g8

http://news.google.co.uk/news?q=london+blasts&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr

There are now 7 confirmed explosions in the center on London, 6 on underground trains/stations and 1 on a bus.

Last time i heard the death count was 22+ and rising with over 100 people injured.

Edit2: Death count now at 33+ and rising with more people injured.

Al-Qaeda have claim responsibility for the attack. Probly to throw the G8 meeting into chaos.

Makes you wonder what kind of point they were trying to make and how they came to the conclusion that killing innocent people was a good way to get what they want.

Keep and eye on this first post, i will update it as a read more.

Edit1: timeline of events by CNN

CNN wrote:
12:00 p.m.: British Prime Minister Tony Blair says the "barbaric" London blasts are terrorist attacks and were designed to coincide with the G8 summit in Scotland. He will return to London.

11:35 a.m.: London police chief tells Reuters news agency there are "indications of explosives" at one of the blast sites.

11:15 Police say there were at least six explosions in London.

11:15 European Union commissioner for justice and security affairs Franco Frattini tells reporters in Rome that the blasts in London are terrorist attacks.

11:10 Police say they have reports of two deaths and nine injuries at Aldgate East subway station.

11:07 All bus services have been suspended in London, news agencies report.

10.57 British Prime Minister Tony Blair will stay at the G8 summit in Scotland but says he will speak at midday.

10:47 Home Secretary Charles Clarke says multiple London blasts cause "terrible injuries."

10:46 Police report serious casualties in London explosions, but no deaths confirmed.

10:46 Witness to Britain's Sky News says second blast heard in Russell Square.

10:45 Police sources say a bomb is suspected in London bus explosion.

10:33 Police confirm at least three explosions on buses in central London.

10:25 Police confirm explosion on bus in central London in the area around Russell Square.

10:24 Scotland Yard says "multiple explosions" rock London.

10:14 News agencies report a bus has exploded in central London.

10:02 Scotland Yard says it is dealing with a "major incident."

09:53 Metronet says the entire London subway network has been shut down.

Police says incidents are reported at the Aldgate station near the Liverpool Street railway terminal, Edgware Road and King's Cross in north London, Old Street in the financial district and Russell Square in central London, near the British Museum.

09:41 London Underground reports a second explosion at a subway station in northwest London.

09:33 Witnesses say London Underground says services are suspended after "power surge."

09:27 Metronet, the subway maintenance company, says power surge has caused explosion in London tube station.

09:25 Police say "there are walking wounded" in London's financial district.

09:15 British Transport Police say a explosion is reported in London's financial district in the area near Liverpool railway station.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: London explosions  
ubermoose wrote:

Al-Qaeda have claim responsibility for the attack. Probly to throw the G8 meeting into chaos.


Close. It was actually "The Group of al Qaeda of Jihad Organization in Europe", also referred to as the "Organization of Al Qaeda Organization in Europe" in earlier reports. I gotta tell ya, those jihadists need to hire better PR people, because their names really blow. But at this point it is not known if there is any actual link to Al Qaeda, and it is presumed that this group is not affiliated, but merely "inspired" by that movement.

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Makes you wonder what kind of point they were trying to make and how they came to the conclusion that killing innocent people was a good way to get what they want.


Why did Klan members lynch blacks (as opposed to simply shooting them), and erect burning crosses on anti-segregationists' lawns? Because it scares the shit out of people. Terrorists are not about "making a point". Their job is to cause "terror", and their reasons are likely as much about retribution as they are about a message. Remember: Spain withdrew from the Iraq conflict shortly after the Madrid bombings.

By trying to make violence and suffering "personal" to various countries, terrorists are attempting to disenchant said countries from pursuing any action in the Middle East. Terrorism is trying to send the message that if we leave the Middle East alone, they will stop attacking us. (Whether this is true or not is debatable.) Likewise, as long as we interfere, they will continue to pursue their "eye for an eye" retaliation. They kill random people because it is a proven, effective way of scaring, shocking and horrifying a populace, and their hope is that the public will get tired of being scared, and demand that their leaders withdraw from foreign involvement.

And just to end this on a liberal note: Boy! The "War on Terror" sure is a successful one, huh? How many major terrorist attacks have there been in the almost four years since October 2001? Here are the ones I can remember offhand (outside of the *crapload* of regular violence in Israel/Palestine and the general Middle eastern region):

London Subway bombing
Madrid railroad bombing
Australian nightclub bombing
Russian elementary school hostage crisis

And a fun link for the curious: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A31971-2004May16.html

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 4:54 am    Post subject:  
Thugs attack unsuspecting innocent people. Suicidal terrorists who disguise themselves and target innocents are just cowards. And even when it's not suicidal, as it appears in the London attacks, they are still cowards. Heroes target armed enemies and understand why civilized warfare is crucial. Period........
I know that Islmic Jihadists are damaging Islam. The lack of moderate muslims condemning their actions is damaging Islam. Soon there will be no turning back. Islam will become a poisoned religion to the civilized world.
When President Bush looked at the ruins of the World Trade Center, he and his team were SMART enough to figure out that the problem was NOT Jihadist hate of Israel or America. They hated Western Civilization and were participating in a long-term plan to bring it down.

It's unfortunate that there are so many fools and idiots believing that we are creating this hate. No. It would go on whether or not we are engaged in this war. The fact is, history shows that the worst thing to do is appease, to back down, to show "understanding."
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:44 am    Post subject:  
majshake wrote:
Islam will become a poisoned religion to the civilized world.


Rolling Eyes

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It's unfortunate that there are so many fools and idiots believing that we are creating this hate.


Rolling Eyes

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The fact is, history shows that the worst thing to do is appease, to back down, to show "understanding."


Ironically, I agree with you, but the problem is that too many people assume "non-capitulation" equates to "kill everything without trying to understand the antecedent to the problem". People like you and our President figure that you can just throw your hands in the air, shrug, and say "it's not us, it's them" and start lobbing bombs. That's just stupid, because you don't solve a problem by attacking the symptoms.

Look at it this way. Let's say you're an avid surfer. One day, you notice a sizable brown spot on your back. You get it checked, and it's skin cancer. After lengthy treatment, chemo, sickness, hair loss, surgery and discomfort you get the cancer purged from your system and you're pronounced healthy. Do you just jump right back into your old lifestyle without examination? Not if you're smart you don't. You examine what in your lifestyle may have led to your getting cancer, so as to avoid getting it again. Likewise, while we need to deal aggressively with terrorism in it's many forms, we are just spinning gears if we think we can do so without taking a long, hard look at what we might be doing to create this problem. Look at the "war on drugs" - 20 years, billions of dollars, and what has it done for us? Nothing, because we don't deal with the underlying problems that create the demand for drugs (poverty, for example).

And if terrorists hate western culture, why have there been no attacks against Switzerland? They're western, and they treat Muslims (well, Turks) like third-class citizens over there. How come Canada has never felt the wrath of extremist jihadists? Why isn't Mexico, or Norway, or Finland, or Iceland, or Portugal, or any of a dozen other "western" nations the target of jihadists?

Stop spouting typical Republican hyperbole. Terrorists don't hate "western culture". They hate anyone who wants to impose his or her way of living onto their narrow-minded and backwards lifestyle. And right now, America and her allies are the most obvious source of this "oppression".You'd better believe that if Islamic fundamentalists invaded our country and told fundamentalist Christians they had to give up their ways you'd see those Christians car-bombing and killing innocents, too.

And for the record - America is the most "fundamentalist" religious Western nation in the world today, and we alone insist on spreading our form of governemnt and religion to other countries. Think on that when you ask why extremists seem to want us gone. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject:  
Dao Jones wrote:
majshake wrote:
Islam will become a poisoned religion to the civilized world.


Rolling Eyes

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It's unfortunate that there are so many fools and idiots believing that we are creating this hate.


Rolling Eyes

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The fact is, history shows that the worst thing to do is appease, to back down, to show "understanding."


Ironically, I agree with you, but the problem is that too many people assume "non-capitulation" equates to "kill everything without trying to understand the antecedent to the problem". People like you and our President figure that you can just throw your hands in the air, shrug, and say "it's not us, it's them" and start lobbing bombs. That's just stupid, because you don't solve a problem by attacking the symptoms.

Look at it this way. Let's say you're an avid surfer. One day, you notice a sizable brown spot on your back. You get it checked, and it's skin cancer. After lengthy treatment, chemo, sickness, hair loss, surgery and discomfort you get the cancer purged from your system and you're pronounced healthy. Do you just jump right back into your old lifestyle without examination? Not if you're smart you don't. You examine what in your lifestyle may have led to your getting cancer, so as to avoid getting it again. Likewise, while we need to deal aggressively with terrorism in it's many forms, we are just spinning gears if we think we can do so without taking a long, hard look at what we might be doing to create this problem. Look at the "war on drugs" - 20 years, billions of dollars, and what has it done for us? Nothing, because we don't deal with the underlying problems that create the demand for drugs (poverty, for example).

And if terrorists hate western culture, why have there been no attacks against Switzerland? They're western, and they treat Muslims (well, Turks) like third-class citizens over there. How come Canada has never felt the wrath of extremist jihadists? Why isn't Mexico, or Norway, or Finland, or Iceland, or Portugal, or any of a dozen other "western" nations the target of jihadists?

Stop spouting typical Republican hyperbole. Terrorists don't hate "western culture". They hate anyone who wants to impose his or her way of living onto their narrow-minded and backwards lifestyle. And right now, America and her allies are the most obvious source of this "oppression".You'd better believe that if Islamic fundamentalists invaded our country and told fundamentalist Christians they had to give up their ways you'd see those Christians car-bombing and killing innocents, too.

And for the record - America is the most "fundamentalist" religious Western nation in the world today, and we alone insist on spreading our form of governemnt and religion to other countries. Think on that when you ask why extremists seem to want us gone. Wink



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