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Chewie
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:52 am Post subject:
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So I've got one full set of charms left to make a new vlld, and a jabber is one of my options. I'm pretty much making a new one for the sake of making one, so which build I choose is dependent on what gear I already have that could help it. So, my question: How much dtm is needed generally for a jabber? I used the search, but nothing came up re: this.
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GODZ!
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:49 pm Post subject:
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I would say a fair ammount of dtm is 30-40. But that might be a little high.
If i remember correctly. My zon had 27dtm and would just barely run out of mana on long duels with a lvl 1 jab. I was planning on making it 45 for a lvl 9 jab. So i'd say a good range is around 25-50 depending on what lvl jab your using.
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VoicesLLD
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:26 pm Post subject:
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depends on how much total mana you have, and your skill set up, chewie. the more actual mana you have and the level of jab you use, makes the difference. the higher the level of jab and the less mana you have, the more DTM you need.
when i was making mine, i was planning to have half an inventory of life/ar lcs, 3 ar/fhr gcs, and the rest filled with life/mana lcs. with that, id probably have over 100 mana. i was going to use level 7 jab (i think) which is more mana intensive than lvl 1, and was going to have around 19% dtm.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:29 pm Post subject:
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My VLLD jabazon has 20 dtm with 121 mana and level 9 jab and I'm rarely reduced to 30 mana (and by rarely, I mean maybe 2 or 3 times) though I haven't dueled many smiters. I actually had 26 dtm and 127 mana but I dropped it a bit in favor of more damage and AR.
However, it all depends on your build. I went with low defense (227) and high life (529). This way I get hit more and thus don't need as much mana/dtm as a high defense / lower life build would need.
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Rampage
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:00 pm Post subject:
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I have 116 Mana and currently with 0 DTM I will run out on long duels. I use 9 Jab and I normally ran 17% DTM and very seldom had a problem with mana.
I have retired almost all my VLLD but I will probably keep the Zon and I am planning on making her either a new helm or shield that will have around 20-24 DTM built in. That should pretty much take care of any mana issues
MY build is High defense and with Dodge I do not get hit a lot. Sometimes I am begging to get hit just to get a little mana.
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:07 pm Post subject:
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B[x] wrote: | it all depends on your build. . |
agreed
what ar/dmg are these builds bX/rampage?
chewie, think its important to note the damage output as well
if your jabber doesnt hit the same final outputs, considering chance to hit as well, then the mana will be gone before u might kill anything.
(these are arbitrary numbers)
500def, 700 ar, 200 dmg, 375life
around 40+%dtm as u get hit less and need to jab more
200def, 1kar, 400dmg, 500life
around 10% as u get hit often and do good dmg ouput
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Gorky
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject:
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How did you manage to get your mana so high? Just with charms?
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Chewie
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:24 pm Post subject:
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Hrm, seeing as though I'm gonna be using spare gear (i.e. plain 9 max stuff) i'll probably go 1 jab, and 9 inner sight...but this is more complicated than I thought...maybe I'll try the other builds...lol
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:47 pm Post subject:
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Stats
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/LLD101/jabehdiahstats.bmp
That damage is with one 20 poison damage jewel (dammit I hate green letters).
Gear
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/LLD101/Amulet2.bmp
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/LLD101/Armor2.bmp
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/LLD101/Helm2.bmp
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/LLD101/Weapon4.bmp
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/LLD101/Ring3.bmp
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/LLD101/Ring7.bmp
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y246/LLD101/Shield7.bmp
Some 3dex / 15AR / resists boots
Death's Sash/Gloves combo
Charms
Life/mana:
15/7 x2
15/6 x2
15/4 x3
14/7 x2
14/6
Life/AR:
15/12
15/10
15/9
15/8
15/6 x2
15/5
14/11
14/8
14/5
Skills
9 Jab
7 Critical Strike
4 Dodge
Did I miss anything?
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VoicesLLD
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:04 pm Post subject:
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that is 1 damn nice amulet for a jabber.
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B[x]
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:10 pm Post subject:
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VoicesLLD wrote: | that is 1 damn nice amulet for a jabber. |
Thanks. I got it off from a guy in a public game for a few low set items. I felt bad so I gave him about three times what he asked for it.
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hero-lld
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Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:55 pm Post subject:
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u didnt post a picture of your javs
but u probably were just showing the mana balance with ar/def and dtm
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B[x]
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:50 am Post subject:
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hero-lld wrote: | u didnt post a picture of your javs |
Missed that, done.
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Rampage
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:29 am Post subject:
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Jerkazoid wrote: |
what ar/dmg are these builds bX/rampage?
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My AR is right at 1000 and damage is around 275. Both of these numbers vary by about 10% depending on the particular configuration I am using at any given time. MY Zon is highly adaptable and can change AR, Life, Speed, BR, Life Replenish and FHR quickly to adjust for different opponents.
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Solartje
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:58 pm Post subject:
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waargh sexy java ^^ bit more dmg then mine.
btw does anyone ever seen a eth repair 10ias 70+trow dmg java. dont think anyone on any realm has one... ive been looking for one for over 3 years now.
my setup
450def
100mana
20dmg to mana
350 jab dmg
1500 ar
is enough for almost any duell.
like it has been said, nobody can tell, but u. every time i change one piece of my gear; (helm, armor, shield) i change my mana/ar ratio.
started with 140mana, im down to 95 mana now. just do alot of duells, and take of mana charms till u can last exactly one duell without empty mana pool vs the strongest char u can meat (aka barbs, or ama's)
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