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breakbeatz2 · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 8:01 am Post subject:

This is getting a little off topic but I'm answering questions that other people asked.

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breakbeatz2 · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:48 am Post subject:

Yea I was just listing one of the setups they use. I've never seen a good one using a SS though, seems like 46 DR from CoA and dungos is enough. I've seen eth glitches HoZ's but those are usually used by FoH'ers and Hammerdins. There are definately different weapons they can use, eth DC, BoTD, eth Heavens light, or eth Redeemer. I just listed the eth/repair/cruel/fools because it's the most expensive.

Makaveli · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:53 am Post subject:

on east, apparently the melee duelers dont consider exile bm (i dont melee because i think its boring)... because every melee pala in palapk uses exile... i think its bm, but how can you say its not a good shield? the life tap is very good... without exile, i would guess the builds would be very different

i've seen a few with rare weapons, but they are usually not very competitive against the normal eth dc ones...

w/e, i guess im a little biased, i never considered melee vs melee duelers "top duelers" because all they really do is hold left click... and i just think dueling strat is more fun/challenging than making up the certain equips melee palas have... i do know that making the equips isnt easy, but it just not what i enjoy doing as much

ehhh, why would the smiter charge at a barb lol... they usually just try to tank the barbs and shift+smite... how would the top west barbs know if they can beat the top east necros? ^_^ the best east necro (imo of course) has never dueled a west barb... i also think wind druids are pretty easy on barb, i can beat almost all of them... i like to try to sneak in and zerk them lol

ATOMICMAN · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 9:57 am Post subject:

palapk allows exile in pally vs pally duels and in duels where both parties agree to allow it

anyway theres a bunch of different ways to build a melee pally a valor pally is more rounded, eth temp is made for pure melee dueling (mostly pally and barb), eth glads are different but also fun, eth cap is a lower budget build compared to eth glitched armors same with levi builds. there are tons of weapons zealots use; eth dc, eth cruel/fools rare, ebotdz, and others prolly (im not too sure what else though). helms also vary with coa being the front runner and high def rares with % ar per lvl and other useful mods. shields have 3 choices really upped hoz, eth alma, or exile. rest of the gear is pretty much the same with all zealots raven (if nothing is chamed) angelic ring ammy steelrends dungos and upped gores (or eth ones).

what im a lil skeptical is how dual wield barbs get enough ar to hit a good def zealot (and ww into one that knows how to use thier surroundings properly) without prebuffing enchant

breakbeatz2 · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 10:39 am Post subject:

When I said top HLDers like zealots and fury druids I meant rich ones like them because it gives them a lot of gear to spend a ton of currency on. Granted dueling is just left clock and hold, but it's the gear possibilities that attracts people to these builds.

WWbarbs won't hit a high def zealot often, but with good whirling, the zealot will never hit the barb.

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GODZ! · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:48 am Post subject:

100% aggreed with bela that sorcs can take barbs pretty easily. Back in the day when i worked on my sorc religiously and sometimes now i can take some of the best geared and best dueling barbs. Most of the time with avoiding but sometimes tanking. Its about 50/50

breakbeatz2 · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 11:49 am Post subject:

LT isn't BM on USEast. I think we can both agree that Exile is by far the best shield if you don't consider lifetap to be BM.

VoicesLLD · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 12:10 pm Post subject:

enough high level discussion. this is a topic about lld, in the lld discussion forum. if you want to discuss who has the best high level zealot, take it to the right forum.

XxCold_DeathxX · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 2:08 pm Post subject:

Thx Voices I came here for LLD discussion...anyway....

I think Cold Sorc rules all. Still not sure on the best build for it all but I have won 95% of my battles with mine.

However I did make a sorc killing paladin just for characters like my sorc.
No lvl 30 cold sorc can beat him.

You gotta have the right build against the right enemy. No 1 character will always win, they all have weaknesses. I would say the build with the least weaknesses would be a necro but they dont have quick escape tele so once again I say the cold sorc because of her versatility to catch runners (blizzard) stand there and take melee (1400 def, 75% block, 50%FBR, shiver armor) and can run/tele away from any bone spirits.
I am up for discussion against this build.

Belarathon · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 2:50 pm Post subject:

Fire sorc will kill cold sorc everytime or 90%+ of the time if they both know what they are doing, and i forget who said that necro can beat the other sorcs but not blizz in the first page, but that's true for the most part, but a truly skilled sorc of any type that uses teleport will never be hit by any bone spirits except an occasional IBS and rep life takes care of that. and with spear it would be even harder for the necro to hit the sorc if she is a good tele'r because they don't travel as far and go invisible so a sorc can just avoid them if she tele;s well enough. I would say that assuming each dueler is top gear with a top skilled player using it, it would go
teleport sorc > necro > hammerdin > fury druid, for lld. but other builds that are not on that list can beat fury druid, and fury druid can beat most necros just not great ones. and for the necro to beat the hammerdin it's pretty simple just bonewall yourself and then he can never get in close enough to hit you anywho i forgot if there was anything else to answer to that guy on the first page (i think it was dao jones)

XxCold_DeathxX · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:04 pm Post subject:

Well vs fire sorc all i do is just run around in circles or figure 8's and blizz on top of them...not to mention wearing hotspurs or infernostride seriously reduces the dmg.

Only met one Fire sorc that could beat me but of course she used e-shield and about 900 mana and life compared to me with half that. He also had quite a bit more uber gear then I did. Couldn't catch her with the blizz very often. She just outlasted me.

Belarathon · Posted: Tue May 24, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject:

yeah, 900 mana with eshield is actually low too, and fireball has 2x the range and damage, and like 5x the speed of blizz, and if they really wanted to they could probably even just namelock the blizz sorc and tele on top and spam fb, the blizzer would die a lot sooner than the fb would if it turned into a tankwar, and the fb could hit harder and faster from further away if it was a far away war