LLD101

Hades · Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Posts: 958 0.00 Silvarrr

Ok, im going to have to make an new character for vs lld hammerdins, because they are so evil now with dual wielded spirits. I am seeing more and more of these in the public games and its a relatively simple build, but how are you ment to beat them? Like my smiter can duel most other builds and more often than not come out on top including windy druids, but vs a half decent hammerdin and im minced. 110%fhr at least and actually having to close within hitting distance means hammer death as it only takes 2-4 hammers to kill me. So what would be a good suggestion to beat them? I was thinking either an insight charger, and get him chasing after you then you charge in and charge out hopefully b4 he starts his hammers and hope like heck you get a 1 hit ko if u passs that uber %block. 2nd option was a necro's but how effective are spears/spirits against those spirit's with magic absorb and such.. Besides most hammerdins use a insight runestaff charge switch.. Any advice? and no i dont want to do the "If you cant beat them join them" approach because i dont duel with hammers and im sure I would get my nooby ass handed to me by them xD

just shdw · Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:02 am Post subject:

here are some solutions that beat hammerdins easily. Bowazons, lightning sorc, blizz sorc, fire ball sorc, bone necro,throw barb, throw zon and anything else with range. melee = no. and chargers dont work as well as you would expect

VoicesLLD · Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 5:11 am Post subject:

i think what wout meant to say is, that if you have to get in close with teh character, youll more than likely die pretty fast. since smite isnt melee. you dont beat hammerdins by being strong, you beat them by not getting in range of their hammers.

make a caster. make a spirit necro.

ATOMICMAN · Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 6:27 am Post subject:

caster/ranged>hammerdins>melee

cold sorc is prolly the best vs them though

zori · Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 7:19 am Post subject:

sorc or necro is prolly best option bowazon cant really kill em if they have charge on switch, i would prolly go for cold sorc too but fire should work too but nokozan/hotspurs = dead fire sorc

Ehhh · Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 689 0.00 Silvarrr

Your best bet is a bone necro or bowazon if they have no charge switch (unless they're a lib, their charge won't hurt too much anyhow).

Spirit hammerdins have a lot of resists, so elemental dmg probably isn't going to be the best route to take against one. Bone necros are irresistable, and bowzons are hard to resist and can have knockback.

coatol2 · Joined: 09 Nov 2004 Posts: 420 0.00 Silvarrr

I'd say go with a bone nec I don't think an lld bowazon could beat a good hammerdin......btw I have an lld hammerdin on ladder and he does great against alll build's except lvl 35 white nec's but i've never dueled a good lvl 30 lld nec though.

Inexorable · Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 11:57 am Post subject:

I do just fine against them with my zealot, unless they're liberators.

It's just knowing how to walk through the hammers, or how to position yourself to begin with. They don't have massive dr, and their life isn't THAT great. They die like the rest.

Mr.Snuggles · Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject:

unless they charge around and cast hammers they r relitivly easy to beat with a melee....just run in below them and use sac once and then run away as they cast a few hammers....let them come to u done go to them if its possible....iv killed a few 30 lld hammerdinds with my 30 cs zon....it normaly takes a while though

VoicesLLD · Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject:

thats the way to beat them with melee.

you wait for them to come to you. just stand there and keep your eyes open for an opening. theyll eventually get bored of standing and casting hammers, and make a move towards you. thats when you rush in, get a hit or two in (or 1 series of zeal) and then run out before they can cast a hammer on you. repeat as many times as necessary.

Delybrio · Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject:

Belarathon · Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 1:34 pm Post subject:

Trapper beats hammerdin

VoicesLLD · Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:17 pm Post subject:

Mr.Snuggles · Posted: Thu Mar 10, 2005 2:21 pm Post subject:

to tell the truth i havnt met many good duelers on lad yet.....the 3 hammerdins iv met would run straight at me and cast a hammer...so id just pop them with cs and run off....rinse repeat...now using dely tacticts where they charge/hammer constantly unless u stun locked u it would be impossible for me to kill u

Hades · Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Posts: 958 0.00 Silvarrr

Well to be honest Euroupe dosnt use your lld101 rules as there isn't to many that know about it, altho i do try to spread the word to the better duelers. But no, all the hammerdins i have dueled that were ment for low level dueling all had insight 2ndry charge weapons and were hell rushed. and that usually means they are damn hard, i can kill the less skilled at a ratio of about 2 of my deaths for everyone of thiers... it goes up to about 3-4 per thier deaths vs good tacticians. But yeah how much magic dmg doe those spirits soak up, because i was messing around with my prebuff spirit weapons and firing my lvl 1 hammers and killing ppl, but a lvl 35 necro's bone spirits (not a good one) didnt even dent my life, altho useing the spear he eventually took off like 6 per spear.

(another difference, i have been playing in europe ladder for about 2 months and i still havnt seen a lvl 18 zealer, (used to playe east and there were alot there) eroupe tends to be more chargers or hammerdins Sad

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