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gugg
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject:
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i come to think that vlld pally is so underpowered
..because of the ar issue. at lev 9 pally's will have really really low ar
doesn't matter how good the gear is. and that is just giving vlld pally no chance to fight any good sin/barb/cold sorc..
honestly i think pally should be allowed to be at lev 12 for vlld rules and
...able to use 2 peices of anglic...
well i just made a vlld pally..have having a really bad time duling because of the low ar issue
...just throwing this out here for people to think
because really sin/barb can have good amount ar at lev 9 but not pally
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject:
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i believe most vlld sac'ers hit around 1k ar...more than enough to hit another char with 500> defence that's the same level.
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Waramp
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:36 pm Post subject:
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i think having a 4 soc shield with up to 121 ar on it is quite an advantage...
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gugg
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject:
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James wrote: | i believe most vlld sac'ers hit around 1k ar...more than enough to hit another char with 500> defence that's the same level. |
yea lev 9 pally gets about 1k ar 1.2k is impossible even with
horrible ar/life charms..
against barb's/sin's possible 2k...sin gets 1.5k without trying so is barb
120ar on shield, sure helps but
think pally only have 1 skill that gives ar, and thatz only 75%..
vs barb's base+mastery, kicker will get maga ar from dragon talon
...and ..
no 1k ar is horroble against 500def... can bearly hit ppl with 350def
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Waramp
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:54 pm Post subject:
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% ar is essentially worthless without +ar, thats why angelics are so good. ive seen sacrifice barbs with up to 1600 ar, but on average i figured 1k is normal
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ste91
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:36 am Post subject:
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Waramp wrote: | % ar is essentially worthless without +ar, thats why angelics are so good. ive seen sacrifice barbs with up to 1600 ar, but on average i figured 1k is normal |
My Sacrifice Barb had almost 1700 AR.
And you must have got something a bit wrong, because Sac Pallys can quite easily get over 1.2k.
You might want to think about the possible sources of AR:
Rings - up to 95 each, very good (and usually the main) source of AR
Amulet - I think it's something like 35 AR? I can't remember, but I generally consider this a "secondary" source of AR
Jewels - If you're patient or rich enough to afford alot of jewels with Damage AND Attack Rating, then this is another very good source of attack rating, add to the fact that paladins get atleast 2 more sockets than any other char at lvl 9 gives them more opportunities to get more attack rating.
Charms - Hard to find and only give small amounts, but every little helps
Shield - This only applies to Paladins and is a massive source of AR if you manage to get a 121 shield.
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Torrent
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:29 am Post subject:
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ste91 wrote: | Amulet - I think it's something like 35 AR? I can't remember, but I generally consider this a "secondary" source of AR |
i think its 20, not positive either
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Dream
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:53 am Post subject:
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I believe it's like this:
bronze - 20 ar max
light - 15ar, 1 light radius
So 35 ar is the highest possible, but it's from two mods.
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ste91
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:09 am Post subject:
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Dream wrote: | I believe it's like this:
bronze - 20 ar max
light - 15ar, 1 light radius
So 35 ar is the highest possible, but it's from two mods. |
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Torrent
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject:
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ste91 wrote: | Dream wrote: | I believe it's like this:
bronze - 20 ar max
light - 15ar, 1 light radius
So 35 ar is the highest possible, but it's from two mods. |
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I was right too...
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Waramp
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:18 pm Post subject:
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Waramp wrote: | Amulet - I think it's something like 35 AR? I can't remember, but I generally consider this a "secondary" source of AR |
i didnt say that... but if im right i'll take it
also ste, vllds can use 3 soc large shields, so its only 1 socket advantage. BUT with that 1 socket advantage comes a 65% ed and 121 ar advantage
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Torrent
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject:
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Waramp wrote: | Waramp wrote: | Amulet - I think it's something like 35 AR? I can't remember, but I generally consider this a "secondary" source of AR |
i didnt say that... but if im right i'll take it
also ste, vllds can use 3 soc large shields, so its only 1 socket advantage. BUT with that 1 socket advantage comes a 65% ed and 121 ar advantage |
whoops, edited
dunno how your name ended up on there
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:02 pm Post subject:
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Well honestly you are mistaken about a lvl 9 pally's ar. My vlld pally lvl9
mind you, rapes sins and has over 1.7k ar so they are very viable at lvl 9 and I would put mine against any vlld. His best ar I accomplished with him was 2k ar!
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Chewie
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 2:25 pm Post subject:
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vlld pallies are far from underpowered. Mine has no AR from charms, and almost none from jewels in gear, and he gets 1200-1400, depending. Once I get the last jewel for his shield, he should have around 1600+
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject:
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Your also forgetting that vlld def pallys can get over 1k def. so having 2k ar is not that great vs him.
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