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violationz-LLD
Joined: 05 May 2006 Posts: 98 BNet Acct/Realm: missouri
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject:
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Eluslve is my 18 zealot, the one meegz posted. here's a more recent s/s with a few new gcs =). he's getting there.
thats a 65/121/14% sup 80 max aerin but i s/s wouldnt come up right =(
heres stats / dmg / ar =
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Harrycarps
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:05 am Post subject:
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Still needs a lot of work
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Elusive
Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 2765 BNet Acct/Realm: *elusive-
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 2:09 am Post subject:
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that ws is crazy however i feel the 50% ds from cleg is by far greater. 50% chance on every swing while on the ws the proc is 5% (although facing 5% ctc wpns it SEEMS way more then 5% lol)
in the optimal world an avg dmg or min dmg 18 using clegs would utterly destroy anything. thats the bane of 18 zealots and keeps them from being impossible to kill period; extreme min-max. rolling ds when you do 6 pvp dmg doesnt do squat.
sadly the 8-14 jewel or 8-9/60 ar will either a: never spawn, b: spawn on europe, or c: fall into the hands of breakbeatz2 :]
well id probably get the second one, but thats still moot.
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Harrycarps
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject:
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You're right, but until I can get my hands on better jewels I need the ws to push decent dmg .
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wfg-dude
Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 2663 BNet Acct/Realm: Long Beach, CA
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 3:03 pm Post subject:
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Elusive wrote: | that ws is crazy however i feel the 50% ds from cleg is by far greater. 50% chance on every swing while on the ws the proc is 5% (although facing 5% ctc wpns it SEEMS way more then 5% lol)
in the optimal world an avg dmg or min dmg 18 using clegs would utterly destroy anything. thats the bane of 18 zealots and keeps them from being impossible to kill period; extreme min-max. rolling ds when you do 6 pvp dmg doesnt do squat.
sadly the 8-14 jewel or 8-9/60 ar will either a: never spawn, b: spawn on europe, or c: fall into the hands of breakbeatz2 :]
well id probably get the second one, but thats still moot. |
While I agree with the clegs argument (especially since I use one) Knarls WS wins many duels vs. me. He has one of those uber zeal/conc combos with max/ed's in it. I'm also pretty sure he boosts his life up big time vs. me so that my crits don't waste him in a couple hits. I always get him to about 1% - 5% life and somehow he comes out on top. So, while I won't change out my wep... I have to give some props to the ever elusive zeal/conc WS as top weapon if you have perfect gear to go along with it.
Harrycarps - Is your zealot H-rushed? Cuz the dmg looks pretty friggin uber for norm only. If mine were H-rushed I'd be pushing 2k I think.
O ya... and I'll take 9 x 8-15 dmg jools plz!!! WTF...I've never even seen one spawn gib ss plz
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Harrycarps
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject:
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Yea mines H-rushed
Oh, and are Add X-X damage jewels better than Maxdmg jewels?
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Elusive
Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Posts: 2765 BNet Acct/Realm: *elusive-
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2007 11:45 pm Post subject:
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i still think if the optimal situation came forth and i had unlimited 8-14s i would still use clegs.
the avg dmg would be insane enough to justify it
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Roy
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:51 am Post subject:
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You'd also solve the problem of the low min rolls if you had unlimited 8-14's to choose from, so I'd probably opt for Cleg's there as well. I still believe that ultimately a 3 Zeal 3 Conc war scepter would be the best, but it's just too hard to argue with the raw killing power of Cleg's.
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wfg-dude
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:40 am Post subject:
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Roy wrote: | You'd also solve the problem of the low min rolls if you had unlimited 8-14's to choose from, so I'd probably opt for Cleg's there as well. I still believe that ultimately a 3 Zeal 3 Conc war scepter would be the best, but it's just too hard to argue with the raw killing power of Cleg's. |
With 8-14 jools it would actually be unfair IMO. The only "bane" of the clegs zealot is the min dmg does practically ZERO. I would love to see one of those jools just so I could drool over the "holy grail"
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eAr_gOd
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:27 am Post subject:
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on the war sceptor, your ideal jewels would be 20ed 4-14 jewels, which acts as 6-17.4 dmg (11.7 avg dmg) jewels, which is much better than 8-14 (11 avg dmg) jewels .
the two best war sceptors on East ladder:
R-freedom has a 3 defiance, 2 zeal, 1 conc 5 socket war sceptor, socketed with 5x 20ED / 15max jewels.. for his defiance zealot
HarryCarps has a 2zeal 3 conc 5 socket one.. not sure about his jewels though.
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breakbeatz2
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:30 am Post subject:
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Quote: | sadly the 8-14 jewel or 8-9/60 ar will either a: never spawn |
Yeah I wouldn't compete with a friend for a level 18 jewel. But 4-14 60AR would be even better.
Also, it doesn't matter what jewels you use, clegs is always better.
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wfg-dude
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 3:53 pm Post subject:
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eAr_gOd wrote: | on the war sceptor, your ideal jewels would be 20ed 4-14 jewels, which acts as 6-17.4 dmg (11.7 avg dmg) jewels, which is much better than 8-14 (11 avg dmg) jewels .
the two best war sceptors on East ladder:
R-freedom has a 3 defiance, 2 zeal, 1 conc 5 socket war sceptor, socketed with 5x 20ED / 15max jewels.. for his defiance zealot
HarryCarps has a 2zeal 3 conc 5 socket one.. not sure about his jewels though. |
I would think they would need a bunch of ar somewhere. With clegs pretty much everything is built in whereas with war scepters if you go pure dmg then u must make it up iwth charms or horrible ar jools somewhere else.
Never seen a 4-14/20ed jool either
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Meegz ?
Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 2671 BNet Acct/Realm: *meegz @ east ladder
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:36 pm Post subject:
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You'd only need the ar vs defense based chars...not to mention that my zealot has like 2300+ ar w/ clegs...b.aim puts it up to nearly 3k iirc. imo, keeping a visionary circ/helm (and a clegs sword if you dont use one most of the time) and having b.aim should keep your ar high enough to hit defense based chars
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wfg-dude
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Posted: Wed May 02, 2007 5:12 pm Post subject:
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Meegz ? wrote: | You'd only need the ar vs defense based chars...not to mention that my zealot has like 2300+ ar w/ clegs...b.aim puts it up to nearly 3k iirc. imo, keeping a visionary circ/helm (and a clegs sword if you dont use one most of the time) and having b.aim should keep your ar high enough to hit defense based chars |
I wasn't talking about clegs with an ar problem. Warscepters would seem to have the ar problem
And, ya, visionary of the sun with 2s = high defense killa!
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