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oso
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:27 am Post subject:
Attack Speeds with Zeal Subject description: 0 speed weps and -10 weps |
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According to this:
http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/weaponspeed.php?lang=english
A Paladin with a crystal sword and twitchthrow gains NOTHING from deaths hand/sash. Same for a Paladin with a -10 weapon such as a pick, nothing is gained. If this is right, the choice of gloves for virtually every llder ever has been useless...
my reality is shattered...
EDIT: The old calculator blows, new calc shows more details.
http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/speedcalc_titanseal/speedcalc_english.php
A Crystal sword receives increase of 2 ticks, -10 wep gets 5 ticks.
Last edited by oso on Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:29 pm; edited 3 times in total
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heprea
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:17 pm Post subject:
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Code: | 0 % 14 1.7
9 % 13 1.9
19 % 12 2
32 % 11 2.2
54 % 10 2.5 |
paladin with crystal sword and twitch you will reach 19% / 12 / 2
paladin with crystal sword / twitch and death combo: 32% 11 / 2.2
I see something in there.
Code: | 0 % 13 1.9
7 % 12 2
18 % 11 2.2
35 % 10 2.5 |
paladin with military pick and twitch you will reach 18% / 11 / 2.2
paladin with military pick / twitch and deatch combo: 35% / 10 / 2.5
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oso
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:34 pm Post subject:
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I meant while using zeal as attack, since that and charge are what you would be attacking with using a standard build.
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Hong10
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:34 pm Post subject:
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oso wrote: | I meant while using zeal as attack, since that and charge are what you would be attacking with using a standard build. |
? Using clegs sword it reachs 5fpa bp with 50%ias
Code: | 0 % 7 3.5
8 % 6 4.1
42 % 5 5 |
It's well know that lvl 15 zealots get the same bp with Crystal(Azure) and Long(Clegs) since they can't use Twitch
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oso
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:15 pm Post subject:
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AHA! Thank you for making me go back and try it with cleglaws, I had assumed that -10 weapon speed was the equivalent of adding 10 to IAS, but this is of course not the case.
The FPA Tables for a crystal sword are:
Code: | 0 % 7 3.5
20 % 6 4.1
63 % 5 5 |
So with a crystal sword, deaths hand/sash do nothing, but with a pick or cleglaws they hit the 5 FPA break-point. Thanks for being patient. And for anyone thinking of using a crystal sword, DON'T DO IT![/code]
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject:
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stop using old calc..
titan seals speed calc
http://diablo3.ingame.de/tips/calcs/speedcalc_titanseal/speedcalc_english.php
0 wsm (crystal)
%ias ________ frames per hit ______ hits per second
Code: | 0 7/7/7/7/14 2.97
9 7/7/7/7/13 3.04
19 7/7/7/7/12 3.12
20 6/6/6/6/12 3.47
32 6/6/6/6/11 3.57
54 6/6/6/6/10 3.67
63 5/5/5/5/10 4.16
86 5/5/5/5/9 4.31
152 5/5/5/5/8 4.46
200 4/4/4/4/8 5.2 |
-10 wsm (pick)
Code: | 0 7/7/7/7/13 3.04
7 7/7/7/7/12 3.12
8 6/6/6/6/12 3.47
18 6/6/6/6/11 3.57
35 6/6/6/6/10 3.67
42 5/5/5/5/10 4.16
60 5/5/5/5/9 4.31
109 5/5/5/5/8 4.46
142 4/4/4/4/8 5.2 |
zeal is a complete rollback attack with a 1st motion (repeated 4 times) and the final swing. each can have a frame removed, (ofc losing 1 off the end is not as cool as 1 off the initial 4 swings)
here is what JAB(icomplete roll-back attack)
70-80ias -10wsm, an looks lik
with -10wsm
noias 23 frames 7.66
10ias 21 frames 7
20ias 19 frames 6.33
30ias 18 frames 6
40ias 17 frames 5.66
50ias 16 frames 5.33
60ias 16 frames 5.33
70ias 15 frames 5
80ias 15 frames 5
90ias 14 frames 4.66
part of Lld101's knowledge since Nov, 2008 (http://lld101.com/viewtopic.php?search_id=1059940821&t=46547)
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oso
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:25 pm Post subject:
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hey, thats good stuff. Thanks for the better calculator. So I guess a crystal sword receives a very slight increase in attack, (2 ticks) while a -10 wep receives a modest increase (5 ticks). Thank you for clearing that up.
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 8:56 pm Post subject:
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oso wrote: | hey, thats good stuff. Thanks for the better calculator. So I guess a crystal sword receives a very slight increase in attack, (2 ticks) while a -10 wep receives a modest increase (5 ticks). Thank you for clearing that up. | you are welcome but ticks? im not sure what that means...though the difference between 0 wsm (50ias) and -10wsm(50ias) is .59 attack per second. which more importantly means an effective increase of (3.57 - 4.16) / 3.57 =
+16.5% dps
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