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[tsr]

My friend wants to make a build to play with mine and I was wondering if this sounded any good.

TSR's Level 18 CS Zon Concept
Skills:
Charged Strike 1
Lightning Bolt 7
Power Strike 13
Jab 1
Critical Strike 1
Dodge 1
Avoid 1
(whatever else you want)

Gear:
+1 Jav skill maiden javs
+1 Jav skill circlet [15 maxer]
+1 Jav skill ammy [ar, mana and resists]
Sigon's shield [-15% req, 12% dtm]
Twitchthroe [15 maxer]
Deaths gloves
Deaths sash
CK's boots
80+ ar rings

That's +4 skills giving cs 1-78 damage and 4 bolts without synergies. With synergies it would do 234 damage each bolt. Furthermore, jav damage should carry some weight too.

So it's a really rough build and I dont wanna get too far into it, but has anyone done anything like this?

[wOOt]

news flash u can have white maidens with +3 jav skills..
+1 javskills circlet doesnt exist u have to use tarnhelm
+1 javskills amu doesnt exist u have to use eye of ethlich

[tsr]

Wow, +3 doesn't raise level requirement?

+3 Jav skill maiden javs
Tarnhelm [15 maxer]
Eye of Etlich
Sigon's shield [-15% req, 12% dtm]
Twitchthroe [15 maxer]
Deaths gloves
Deaths sash
CK's boots
80+ ar rings

That would give 306 damage per bolt on cs.

Next question, do all the bolts from cs hit your target or just 1?

[heprea]

i think it depends on from what angle are u attacking and how far :o
also, i have never made one but isnt there anything else that would be better than maxer jewel to your helm/armor? i mean maybe p ruby for life or p sapphire for mana? or maybe even p skull for life/mana reqen? this char dosnt seem to reley too much @ pshycical dmg

and since charged stike dosnt require ar to hit u can use better rings like manalads or dual dual stat/mana rings or something

[Thc-Matt]

Instead of 15 max put a p ruby seems alot better to me with more life

[eAr_gOd]

you can also use +1 java 10ias gloves.
The breakpoints for CS are 30ias, and 52ias. You cannot hit 52 ias at lvl 18 if you plan on using plain +3 maiden javelins. Therefore, your best bet is to use twitchthrow and 10ias gloves to hit 30ias.

Up to all 4 CS bolts will hit the opponent.

Sigons shield is a horrible choice of shield - the block rate is waay too slow and CS is interruptable, so if someone hits u and u are forced to block, it cancels your CS and u have to start over again. Dodge will also cancel your CS, but atleast block speed can be helped with a 30/20 shield or pelta.

Make sure to use lightning bolt / swordback hold / knockback javs on switch as a secondary skill, cuz CS has some serious limitations if someone is stacked with resists and MDR. 15maxers will work with lightning bolt, but its not necessarily better than rubies etc, especially if you primarily only use CS. My zon uses lightning bolt as her main skill and CS as a secondary, and therefore I went for maxer jewels and a 110 lit dmg circlet and 120 lit dmg javelins, as well as an inventory full of 15lifers with + lightning damage or 15lifers with mana.

[wOOt]

how much mdr stackin u c at lvl 18..

[eAr_gOd]

[tsr]

So should I go for a pure cs build or somewhat of a hybrid utilizing more physical damage and a decent amount of elemental damage, but flexible against someone with high resists.

My current idea is:
+45 maxer crown
Steelclash (+15 max)
+3 jav skill javs
Twitch (+15 max)
Death's sash
10 ias, +1 jav gloves
Angelic Rings and Ammy
CK Boots

It knocks it back down to only +4 to skills, but that still achieves 4 bolts. Also, it gives the ias break point, with decent physical damage and ar to be flexible when dealing with high resists. The 45 max will equate to more damage than a +1 when using tarnhelm.

[Bakaraver]

Mmm I did this once. Did okay, except. . .

Your dodge and avoid recovery speed will take too long. a zealer will be hitting you too hard for you to really do anything. . . especially since CS isn't really a "quick" skill. and its interruptible. so your attempts to attack will severely be limited.

as for damage, even without stacked res or mdr, 1-78 damage as you said, won't do too much to someone who has 700 ish life.

The only real reason that a 18 zon isnt viable at this level is the lack of mana and the lack of speed.

[krajee]

[wOOt]

well imo there shuld b rule that mdr + maxresi is bm vs lvl 18 element builds.. cap it to 30% resi or sumten..

[tsr]

[eAr_gOd]

yea I don't agree with capping things at all.. if a build doesn't work then do another build. You can't do something like make fire resist illegal in VLLD just because its unfair to lvl 9 fireblast assassins, or make IAS illegal cuz its unfair to impale amazons. If a skill sucks, its the fault of the person who based the build around that skill and other people shouldn't have to nerf themselves because of it.

Anyway, a lvl 18 elemental zon is perfectly viable even against maxed resists if built correctly.

[tsr]

Yeah, I think he's gonna end up going with a more hybridized build that still achieves 4 bolts of cs and decent physical damage. Utilizing lightning bolt, cs and jab.