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Roy
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject:
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No different from running away from a charged TS assassin. Running away from your opponent in a melee duel (even if it's to attack his spirit) is pretty BM.
Of course, in open dueling, it's anything goes - but melee duel should determine which char is stronger, not which char can chase down spirits.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:07 pm Post subject:
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Common sense is used to determine how strong you character is too you know.
Are you going to run right up to a sorce standing inside 3 blizzards?
or a sorce spamming meteror on herself?
nope.
and if you do its not going to: "determine which char is stronger" It's going to prove which one of you is an idiot.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject:
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i'd like to think there is SOME strategy to melee dueling, not just which char is stronger. gotta calculate the pros and cons of running to kill the other person's spirit.
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Wank
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:16 pm Post subject:
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Educated wrote: | Common sense is used to determine how strong you character is too you know.
Are you going to run right up to a sorce standing inside 3 blizzards?
or a sorce spamming meteror on herself?
nope.
and if you do its not going to: "determine which char is stronger" It's going to prove which one of you is an idiot. |
Lol, agreed.
Uhhh, LLD101 does not govern whats "bm" and whats "gm".
Quote: | No different from running away from a charged TS assassin. Running away from your opponent in a melee duel (even if it's to attack his spirit) is pretty BM. |
Running from a TS sin is running for the sake of running, running to KILL the sage is not running. There is a huge difference.
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Roy
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject:
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Why do you bring up Ranged duels as a comparison? Those actually involve positioning and movement. Melee duels, by both the rules here and common practice, involve standing in place and hitting each other. Toe-to-toe combat.
When you run from a TS sin's charge, you're doing it to avoid damage. When you run to kill a HoW, you're doing it to avoid damage.
Again, if you're going to have a GM melee duel, I was always under the impression that you stand toe-to-toe and fight it out. You don't just chase spirits until someone runs out of mana (or mana pots).
Quote: | i'd like to think there is SOME strategy to melee dueling, not just which char is stronger. |
I thought the point of melee dueling was actually to determine which char is stronger - the strategy is covered in the planning and gear selection.
Again, in open dueling, everything goes, and I kill spirits all the time. But in a GM melee duel, you're trying to see which char is stronger/better built.
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FudGe
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:24 pm Post subject:
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Roy wrote: | Why do you bring up Ranged duels as a comparison? Those actually involve positioning and movement. Melee duels, by both the rules here and common practice, involve standing in place and hitting each other. Toe-to-toe combat. |
Have you never seen a decent WW barb fight another melee char???? Clearly not......
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Roy
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:25 pm Post subject:
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Uhh, WW is a ranged attack. If a WW is fighting a melee, that's an Open duel, which I've already covered.
Like I said, killing spirits in a melee duel seems pretty BM.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject:
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Roy wrote: | Why do you bring up Ranged duels as a comparison? Those actually involve positioning and movement. Melee duels, by both the rules here and common practice, involve standing in place and hitting each other. Toe-to-toe combat |
I'm sorry I didn't realize Duels with melee chars were restriced to holding the left click button and tanking everything that hits you including ww's and charge etc.
And I repeat.
Educated wrote: | Common sense is used to determine how strong you character is too you know.
Are you going to run right up to a sorce standing inside 3 blizzards?
or a sorce spamming meteror on herself?
nope.
and if you do its not going to: "determine which char is stronger" It's going to prove which one of you is an idiot. |
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FudGe
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject:
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This is the first i've ever heard of killing spirits being BM since my whole llding career. I have dueled COUNTLESS chars that have spirits, and I always kill them.
Getting your spirit killed is expected, ANY decent druid knows this......clearly IOWA does not.
I seriously do not see any logic behind this argument, it's just plain dumb and the poll already proves that the majority of people agree with me.
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Roy
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject:
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WW and charge aren't melee skills:
Quote: | -RANGED & CASTERS: Dueling at a distance or with skills otherwise classifies as Ranged (ex: WW and Charge). |
In a Melee (key word there) duel, the two characters are supposed to stand toe-to-toe and fight it out. You can step back to recast armor/orders/etc., but running (and presumably chasing spirits) is not allowed.
Edit: A majority of people claim that mana potting isn't BM. That doesn't make it true though.
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FudGe
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject:
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This is the first i've ever heard of killing spirits being BM since my whole llding career. I have dueled COUNTLESS chars that have spirits, and I always kill them.
Getting your spirit killed is expected, ANY decent druid knows this......clearly IOWA does not.
I seriously do not see any logic behind this argument, it's just plain dumb and the poll already proves that the majority of people agree with me. Pretty sure it is safe to say the only people who don't like this, as usual, are RJG and IOWA (some other 3rd guy too :S)
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FudGe
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject:
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Roy wrote: | WW and charge aren't melee skills:
Quote: | -RANGED & CASTERS: Dueling at a distance or with skills otherwise classifies as Ranged (ex: WW and Charge). |
In a Melee (key word there) duel, the two characters are supposed to stand toe-to-toe and fight it out. You can step back to recast armor/orders/etc., but running (and presumably chasing spirits) is not allowed. |
Chasing spirits??? HAHHAHAHAHA give me a break. HAve you never seen a druid duel?? Clearly not, again. Spirits float like 1 meter away from you, it takes a simple sidestep and swing to kill them.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject:
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Show me the rule taht says its illegal to kill a spirit.
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FudGe
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject:
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Educated wrote: | Show me the rule taht says its illegal to kill a spirit. |
There aren't any.......it's widely accepted as a risk for druids by nearly every LLDer.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject:
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fudge wrote: | There aren't any.......it's widely accepted as a risk for druids by nearly every LLDer. |
EXACTLY! Killing spirits is not bm.
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