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[Waramp]

so i've been doing a bit of research on dragon tail because im considering making a lvl 30 dtailer (probably name her Detail ). anyway, i made one up in single player and took her for a spin around the hell blood moor and got some weird results. first of all, charging with tiger strike definately gives dragon tail a big boost. anyway, here are my findings:

- the fire damage does not apply every time you kick, you must make contact with attack rating.
- the knockback and explosion damage also only works when physical contact is made.
- i was able to kill a fallen with a fully charged kick. but fallens are fire immune. however, none of the fallens around me got hurt by the explosion, just the fallen i kicked.

my listed dmg for a fully charged dtail was almost 8k damage. so how much of that is fire and how much is physical? the skill doesnt say anything about increasing the actual kick damage itself (like dragon talon), so where is this damage coming from? any information or links or suggestions would be very appreciated.

edit: i think ive figured whats going on, at least partially. my lvl 1 dragon talon (+5% kick dmg from the skill) is doing about 2400 dmg when fully charged. so im guessing my physical kick dmg is somewhere around there, and the other ~5500 damage is fire from dragon tail

[krajee]

There's a kick damage calculator in the lld sticky. It'll tell you how much is physical and how much is fire.

As for the mechanics of dragon tail, you could probably look around the amazonbasin.

[Waramp]

good call gheed.

i was doing 2500 max phys and 5400 max fire dmg per kick

[Waramp]

if a mod (or admin i guess) wants to move this to the lld section that would be great. i think im gonna give this build a shot and could use some input.

GEAR
2 martial arts, 2 soc circlet (with frw ideally) socketed with shaels probably
3x shaeled white btalon (cheap and easy. could get one with base ias too i guess)
spirit shroud (skills and cbf, why not) with a shael
whistan with a stat jewel or eld if im feeling cheap (which i probably will be)
2 martial arts, 10 ias gloves
string of ears
rare war boots, preferably with -req.
angelics
spirit sword and sigon shield on swithc for prebuffing (easier than finding 2x +2 shadow claws)

couple ar/life gcs, rest 15hp scs (some with ar mod) and maybe a fhr charm to hit a bp

SKILLS
20 tiger strike
13 dragon tail
enough bos for 7 frame kicks (depending on the weapon/gloves)
rest into claw mastery

48% fhr (5 frame) is probably what i'll be aiming for

with 60 ias, i need lvl 9 bos for 7 frame dtail
with 70 ias, i need lvl 6 bos for 7 frame dtail

here are some rough numbers for AR and dmg (using 4 ~70 ar gcs):
5000 AR tiger strike

4000 AR dtail (uncharged)
700 dmg dtail (uncharged)

7000 AR dtail (charged)
7800 dmg dtail (2400 phys, 5400 fire) (charged)

[Thc-Matt]

Sounds like a pretty cool build make it on east nl so i can duel it

[Waramp]

nty, make a char on west ladder if you wanna duel it. it'll be more fair that way

[Virtuous]

I believe a hand scythe with +3 dragon tail would be more beneficial then a plain 3 shael Blade talon.

[Waramp]

it would add more dmg and ar, but it would be MUCH harder to hit the 7 frame kick bp with it. its slower, and gets 1 less socket. it also has higher dex req than max block with whistan. but most importantly, im lazy if i were to stumble across a 2 soc handscythe with some ias, +3 dtail, and maybe bos while im dreaming, then i'd use it. but i'll probaby just stick with a blade talon for now

[Virtuous]

[Meegz ?]

I did try this build, and I actually had a pair of soul shanks (east duped greaves) that I wasn't using at the time...so I upped them...horrible dmg man

iirc, I used a spirit shroud, +2 ma circ w/ ar and life, 2ma/10 ias/dual stat gloves (i found em myself and bout crapped myself) and for jewelry I had wanted to use bitter turns but couldnt get a hold of em, so i strapped on 1 soj and 1 angelic ring/ammy. paired that with deaths belt/gloves and a malice blade talon

it was great for pubbing but against most lld's you wont get her charged up quick enough. btw, if you do decide that she isnt very good for lld, just lvl her to high lvl and it is one of the most effective pvm builds you can make

[Waramp]

my build sounds quite similar to yours, except im using a much faster weapon and i should have more ar. it sounds like the main problem is just getting it charged up fast enough, so thats what im gonna focus on. already got 7 frame ts, so i guess more ar is all i can improve on. iso Weird Blade Talon of Swiftness (2 soc )

edit: i hate this game. shopped a hawkeye blade talon of swiftness (6 ar per lvl, 30 ias) and it got 1 soc. earlier i was gonna buy a knights bt of alacrity but the game dropped when i tried to buy it. found a few weirds and a few swiftnesses, need em together though

[Waramp]

any last input before i waste my time and effort to make one of these?

[Meegz ?]

They're terribly fun

Tons of 1-kick pk's. They do do very well against lld bowa's btw...no need to charge up most of the time you can just stunlock them w/ the regular kick.

They eat mana like a ww barb.

Thats all that I can remember at the time...lmk how she turns out if you do decide to make one

[ATOMICMAN]

i had a dtailer in .08 and rebuilt in .09 lots of fun for pvm but you dont get charges fast enough for lvl 30s though =/

[Waramp]

i think im gonna go for lvl 31 actually for ik boots. im too lazy to spend time/money looking for rare war boots on a char that might not even work, and i dont really plan on entering her into arena or anything like that. if i find some nice war boots before then i'll use them. but right now all i have are 10 frw, 15 ar, cold res war boots