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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject:  

wwbarb ( bvc )
Orbsorc
Hammerdin
Healerdin <-- crucial
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:10 am    Post subject:  

considering holy bolt is actually considered BM i guss its not that crucial Razz
and a fb sorc is WAY better than an orb sorc in lld Smile
I think any top team would need at least thse 3:
bvc, hdin, tele fb sorc... the last man is optional
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:00 am    Post subject:  

Belarathon wrote:
bvc, hdin, tele fb sorc... the last man is optional
So optional so they could 3v4?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:31 pm    Post subject:  

imo 3 essential would be bva, h-din, and a bowa. 4th spot should be a bone necro or healing charger, at least thats what i would want to be playing with on my side.

i do know this though: Ras's fury druid lasts forever and a day in team duels. Very good support char from what I've seen.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:35 pm    Post subject:  

krajee wrote:
Belarathon wrote:
bvc, hdin, tele fb sorc... the last man is optional
So optional so they could 3v4?

they could 3vs5 most other teams. i can never choose my favourite 4th member between a godly trapper or a godly bowzon
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject:  

Youd be suprised how much dmg a lvl30 orbsorc can do, even with the ~70 stacked res.

Yeah, fury druids are insane in the company with a hdin and a barb. With a viper instead of peace he should do well vs a caster based team too.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject:  

3hammerdins and a 1hand charger to kill the opposite team's bowazon

edit: 3regen hammerdins with 50+rep life that are so common on wl Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 3:07 pm    Post subject:  

HerrOber wrote:
Youd be suprised how much dmg a lvl30 orbsorc can do, even with the ~70 stacked res.

Yeah, fury druids are insane in the company with a hdin and a barb. With a viper instead of peace he should do well vs a caster based team too.


i wasnt suprised, mine sucked. i had 270 dmg per bolt (using a +5 orb) so without the mastery its only 45 pvp dmg per bolt (not including mdr) then if they have 75 res its only 11 dmg per bolt. i wouldnt let an orb sorc on my team, not even my own.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:06 am    Post subject:  

All I know is that all my chars takes dmg vs my mates lvl30 orber.

11dmg each shard is a lot of dmg when youre getting hit by a full orb.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:33 pm    Post subject:  

Belarathon wrote:
considering holy bolt is actually considered BM


Since when is Holy Bolt BM?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:35 pm    Post subject:  

its rare you hit them with a full-on orb. its true a full orb does a lot of dmg, but if they're moving at all, its not hard to dodge the orb and get hit by only 1 or 2 bolts. now you could still win a duel by just random tele-spamming everywhere, but thats annoying and would take forever.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:38 pm    Post subject:  

waramp wrote:
its rare you hit them with a full-on orb. its true a full orb does a lot of dmg, but if they're moving at all, its not hard to dodge the orb and get hit by only 1 or 2 bolts. now you could still win a duel by just random tele-spamming everywhere, but thats annoying and would take forever.


You can entirelly negate a cold sorc with vipermagi/string and stacked res.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:43 am    Post subject:  

yea an orber that only does 11 dmg per spike ain gonna do much i mean i guess its okay for massing in tpk's u can hit all 4 with 1 orb a few times but u gotta find a way to get more dmg on your orber if thats all u can get i would say orber wouldnt be that good cause with 75 cold res your only gonna be doing 100 dmg (thats if sum one is dumb enough to get hit with full orb) so another wards on average your only going to be doing 10 dmg not that good :\
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:12 pm    Post subject:  

DiabloTwo wrote:
yea an orber that only does 11 dmg per spike ain gonna do much i mean i guess its okay for massing in tpk's u can hit all 4 with 1 orb a few times but u gotta find a way to get more dmg on your orber if thats all u can get i would say orber wouldnt be that good cause with 75 cold res your only gonna be doing 100 dmg (thats if sum one is dumb enough to get hit with full orb) so another wards on average your only going to be doing 10 dmg not that good :\


In theory we can talk about how good it is or not forever but in reality I know its much more effective than it seems. I still havent seen a stronger sorc than a orbsorc. Perhaps I havent seen that much but I know that my nec using viper 13 and spirit 8 + 80+ stacked res ( with anyabug ) had a hard time vs a orbsorc.

Lets drop this conversation and put the discussion back on the main track

If healer is banned I would use this team;

Hdin <-- dont like it but its needed sadly
Bvc
Charger
Orbsorc


I?ve never liked amas in tvts since they usually die quite fast if you target them right ahead. Hence the charger in your team.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject:  

i dunno holy bolt has always been considered bm in team duels since 1.10 came out on east nl Confused
but maxing prayer and just charging around being 100% defensive is considered gm, but id rather have a better offensive character than that
also, delybrio made basically the best orb sorc you could make and all you need is stacked res, the mdr from viper, and a decent amount of rep life.. and it will lose everytime.. a fb sorc , blizz, even lightning is a lot better
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