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ThatGuy
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 10:32 am Post subject:
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OK...
After extensive research, I think the range on blade talons are 2 or 3. To prove my point, i put a BT on 1 weap, and a scimitar on my switch. Every time i go up and kick with BT's, I hit from a certain distance. Then I switch to scimitar, and my character MOVES UP and kicks the guy again, proving that claws have a longer range.
Did blizzard screw up or is there something I should know?
I'm trying to prove someone wrong but he keeps saying that there is absolutely no difference, yet everyone else is saying that I'm right.
Try the test for yourself and see. If someone can tell me who's right and whatever, please reply.
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VoicesLLD
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 1:35 pm Post subject:
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http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/normal/swords.shtml
http://www.battle.net/diablo2exp/items/normal/katars.shtml
they both have a range of 1....basing your opinion on how your character moves using it isnt going to be accurate...you dont measure things by eye if you want to be dead on, you use a measuring tape.
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Knarl
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 4:10 pm Post subject:
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They are listed as having the same range, so you might have been having some desynch which would make it seem like you were hitting from farther away on your screen, but you may have been the same distance on the other person's screen as when you use the scimitar.
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ThatGuy
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 7:09 pm Post subject:
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Well, when I tested, I always hit from farther away, so maybe the range is like 1.2 or 1.4 or something. The fact is it's farther away, I'm pretty sure.
And voices, blizzard isn't always right nor specific enough even in terms of their own game. They listed PvP penalty as 1/4, when it's only 1/4 elemental and 1/6 physical.
Oh and one more thing...2 witnesses other than the non-believer friend I have also said they saw me move up every time, constantly trying to help me convince my friend he is wrong.
I want to hear Jerkazoid's opinion! lol
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ATOMICMAN
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Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 9:28 pm Post subject:
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its just a display error, d2 has to have the worst positioning ever, all claws have a range of one
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 1:17 am Post subject:
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did u try this in reverse? going from scimitar and switching to claw and seeing if u got the same aberation? try that, if you dont move up u may be on to something.
[edit]oh dont forget people:
the pvp peneltay is 1/6 all dmg (actually 17% to be acurate)
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ThatGuy
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 8:46 am Post subject:
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Alright thanks everyone.
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ThatGuy
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 6:16 pm Post subject:
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Wait a sec people, this just in.
I tried using the scimitar before the claws, and this time I DIDN'T MOVE UP! This cannot be an aberation, dysynch, or whatever techno-geeks like to call it. I am hitting from farther away than normal, so either Blade Talons have a range higher than 1 or Scimitars have a range less than 1. One thing's for sure, they do NOT HAVE THE SAME RANGE!
Comments plz ><
EDIT: Me and meitou have just tested this problem. Claw range is in fact 2! Try all the tests you want
Procedure:
1) We tried kicking with claw(range 2 now) first. Then switched to scimitar(range 1) and shift attacked enemy. No hits.
2) Attacked with claw first(range 2) and switch to military pick (range 2). Shift kicked, hits.
3) Started with scimitar (1) and then switched and shifted kicked claw. Hits.
4) Step 3, but started with pick. Hits.
This means that claws are range 2, and blizzard has screwed up their data >< Who knows what else they might have messed up...
Also tried test, but with melee attacks instead of kicks. Same results wound up claws having range 2.
This is only in effect for Blade talons for now, but I am confident that Claws/Talons/Scissors are all range 2, and the others range 1. Only talons are confirmed, this is just an assumption. Further testing will yield results.
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 9:26 pm Post subject:
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ThatGuy wrote: | using the scimitar before the claws, and this time I DIDN'T MOVE UP! This cannot be an aberation, dysynch, or whatever |
i would have to agree,,, those tests sound conlusive now that u ruled out the desych, switch aberation.
it was your initial post that seemed open for skeptisism.
But the next step (final step) is accesing the mpq/dll and checking the range data listed with each claw. (if thats how its saved)
but i cant do this.
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meitou
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 10:33 pm Post subject:
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gogo way to go, people, let's do some tests!
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Knarl
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Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 11:13 pm Post subject:
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Email blizz and shove it in their faces.
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Jerkazoid
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Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 12:41 pm Post subject:
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im sure blizz knows,, i think claws were range 1 in 1.09 they changed it bc ,,, well i dont know, maybe cause of Chaos.?
this is just another one of those things that Arreat summit needs to add to the list of updates
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meitou
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 12:28 pm Post subject:
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In the game mpq file there's a concept of weapon rangeadder
Bare hand: rangeadder=1
scimitar: rangeadder=0
blade talon:rangeadder=1
military pick: rangeadder=1
colossus blade: rangeadder=2
War Pike: rangeadder=4
That's why in practice scimitar is same range with empty hand, and blade talon has same range with military pick.
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