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FudGe
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:57 pm Post subject:
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I'm sure his has been done before, but i just picked up a nice Widowmaker and thought I might try a guided barb
I was wondering if anyone knew the ias breakpoints for a bow on a barb?
Will it be the Normal ias breakpoints?:
0% 9% 11% 18% 26% 30% 48% 75% 86% 125% 180%
Or is it the same as the bow bps for a zon:
Ward Bow (0) 0% 9% 20% 37% 63% 105% 200%
Depending on the IAS, the following gear comes to mind:
90+life/160/60 LIGHT armor
2barb/30rw/2socket circ with 2x 40ed/15ias
life/stat rings
fhr/ow/str/life belt
gloves??
gores?
Seeing as how there is no bow mastery and i'm only using guided, i'm going to have a lot of skill points to play with:
20bo
1bc
20increase speed
20natural res
20leap (helpful for lettin my guided catch 'em )
I'll allocate the rest into increased stamina probably, since i'll be doing a lot of running.
Depending on how much IAS i need, i'll stick a 15max/-req or 40ed/-req jewel in my widow.
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Wank
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject:
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Well, just a suggestion, you could try using double throw with two eth laceraters. But that would make u more of a double throw barb instead of bow barb.
Also, ammywise I would go for the one that gives chance to cast amp (forgot the name).
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Weaj
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject:
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I am fairly certain the IAS is for normal attack on the barb with a ward bow, that should let you know your BPs.
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FudGe
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject:
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Weaj wrote: | I am fairly certain the IAS is for normal attack on the barb with a ward bow, that should let you know your BPs. |
I thought so, thanks for re-assuring
125%IAS will get me 7.5frame guided, I think that will do.
In that case:
2barb/30rw/2soc circ 30ias
90+life light armor, 60ias
ed/ias'd or max/ias'd widow 15ias
In this case, i need 20more ias. I'm thinking that a cats eye would be best here?
1x raven frost
1x stat/life ring
24fhr/10ow/str/life belt
still not sure what gloves. Rends appeal, but they require a shitbunch of strength.
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Ehhh
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:09 am Post subject:
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Your IAS breakpoints will be bow breakpoints for a barb.
0 % - 14 fpa
9 % - 13 fpa
19 % - 12 fpa
32 % - 11 fpa
54 % - 10 fpa
86 % - 9 fpa
152 % - 8 fpa
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Visual Tactics
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject:
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Ehhh's bps are correct.
My bow sorc hits the 9fpa guided using a merc which rarely dies since I tele but it probably wouldnt work on your build.
- a couple frames faster makes a huge difference
You NEED some source of knockback so: nef the widow, 20ias/kb/stat gloves OR another choice is to use Gskull helm which could work out the best.
think you would be sacrificing too much with 152%ias. With the 86%, is gives you so many more options.
armor: fort?, enigma gives you the ability to tele out of sticky situations so it might not be bad
I wouldn't use a 160/60 though.
ammy: cats eye: frw,ias,dex or hilords: 1skill, ias, DS
gloves: 20%ias kb/stats, crafted gloves, rends, bloodfists (if you need the 10ias)
boots: gores
helm: guillams/coa/gskull/good rare circ
Rings: rfrost and or 10fcr(using nig)/stat/life rings
belt: Nosferatu's coil, dungos, crafted belt.
There are many options here, if you decide to cham+40/15 the gskull for example, then you could using different rings and maybe cb gloves or something.
You might want to consider using some of the %dr gear when needed.
BO with wc weps, then have a Harmony bow on switch is an idea.
I have a feeling this build would have a really hard time competing with any decent bowzon + many other chars though but it's worth a try. I tried playing around with a bowpally and a bowsin on single player but they both did weak damage and nothing compared to my sorc.
Here's my sorcs stats just to give you an idea:
~10k-32k guided (15k-42k on the LCS)
1.3k life
2.3k mana - 80%es with max telekinesis
75% all resis
9fpa ias
37%fcr - 10fps
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FudGe
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject:
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I was thinking, instead of using a KB item, couldn't i launch a volley of arrows and leap a few times? Wouldn't that work decently?
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OutlawHeaven
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject:
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Having Kb lets you do damage AND knockback. Leap doesn't do that
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:11 pm Post subject:
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I'd use enigma for the armor. It has teleport and tons of run/walk speed.
Remember that widowmaker has very low base weapon damage. Poison and Open Wounds are very helpful for this build.
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Meegz ?
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:03 am Post subject:
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Pretty much you are going to want to look something like this:
20ias/kb/stat gloves
highlords
2 barb 20 fcr 2 soc circ 2x15 ias 15 res
shael'd widow
arachnids
gores
2x ravens
switch: 2x dwebs
charms: anni, torch, all the psn charms you can get. 175/20's or 290's or 3xx or 451's, whatever...just stack on massive poison
zap zap with teh guided, then wsg the dwebs to give an extra -100 psn res to enemies while psn'd
very effective, very annoying, and 100% romps on pubs.
I suggest you make a regular bvc-type barb (maybe mace mastery works with wands?) and max leap, whirlwind, inc speed, nat res, bo or somethin along them lines. that way you have uber-leap radius, lots of psn dmg, and if someone is up your ass you just whirlwind away with dwebs out
try it out they are massive fun
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FudGe
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Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:49 pm Post subject:
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Meegz ? wrote: | Pretty much you are going to want to look something like this:
20ias/kb/stat gloves
highlords
2 barb 20 fcr 2 soc circ 2x15 ias 15 res
shael'd widow
arachnids
gores
2x ravens
switch: 2x dwebs
charms: anni, torch, all the psn charms you can get. 175/20's or 290's or 3xx or 451's, whatever...just stack on massive poison
zap zap with teh guided, then wsg the dwebs to give an extra -100 psn res to enemies while psn'd
very effective, very annoying, and 100% romps on pubs.
I suggest you make a regular bvc-type barb (maybe mace mastery works with wands?) and max leap, whirlwind, inc speed, nat res, bo or somethin along them lines. that way you have uber-leap radius, lots of psn dmg, and if someone is up your ass you just whirlwind away with dwebs out
try it out they are massive fun |
why arach? other than the 1skill, do i really need that fcr? It bumped me to the 37fcr breakpoint sure, but you think its really needed? I was thinking an fhr/ow/life belt would work nicely here.
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Meegz ?
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject:
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imo yes, you get fcr, mana, slow, and extra boost to life/mana/def/res/speed/etc... from the skill
imo you are going to want 40 fcr 90% of the time...the rest of the time is when you have zero chance of winning
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clan_iraq
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:21 am Post subject:
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yeah just make sure to avoid grief, or using the venom charges on arach; if you cast venom on yourself it will utterly destroy your poison damage
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