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Torrent
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:48 pm Post subject:
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someone was talking about how a zeal sorc could get crazy high dmg because of synergies from holy fire. this is a VERY interesting idea to me, and i was wondering if its possible to hit 4 frame zeal, have good ar AND have zeal at lvl 4. this is my best attempt so far:
helm - andys
armor - dragon
gloves - magnus
belt - nosferatu
boots - waterwalks
ammy - angelic
ring 1 - angelic
ring 2 - bk/soj
weapon - passion (PHASE BLADE)
shield - dragon
max warmth, enchant, fire mastery, energy shield, and shiver armor(?)
75 ias with [-30] weapon gives 4 frame zeal, at least on paladins (ingame.de weapon speed calc), but im not sure if that applies to other classes who use a pali skill too. idk if ar would be high enough too, but i need 1 skill ring for 5 hits with zeal. sockets would be 5/5 facets and charms probably skillers/lifers. sound good?
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:24 pm Post subject:
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Not sure how well this would actually work in a duel since a lot of builds would dominate it but it would be very fun.
First off from testing when making my bowasorc holy fire does not give you very much damage at all. I remember it was something like about 6k but you can test it.
You want to be using a Dream instead, my sorc does 15k-41k guided arrows on the lcs so its probably only 10k-30k since chant is showed as doubled
(I wonder how much dmg you'd get off dream helm+shield).
- one of your rings must be a rfrost.
- maybe dual rfost+metal grid would be better?
- I wonder how well max block would work for this build if your vsing zealers and such
- you probably want some sort of DR so I'd suggest maybe ss (if you decide to go block) + dream helm or coa + dream shield.
- you could use dungos depending if you dont need the ias.
- I'm curious if clegs gloves would work for the 25% slow, the kb might not work well though
I was thinking of making of of this build as well but maybe using a Beast = wearbear + fant might be a better choice, I'm not sure.
For skills: you want to max warmth, fire mast, chant, lite mast, telekinesis which will put you at lvl 92.
Prebuff you es + shiver armor since you will not have any points to put into these.
Charms: a mixture of lite lifers + life/mana scs
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject:
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Few things:
1: Most of your damage will come from massive enchant + dream helm & sheild with maxed light mastery. If your not doing that your missing a ton of dmg. Light Gc's since more +skills to the dream auras will boost your dmg more than points into enchant
2: There really isn't a need for angelics since enchant gives such huge ar anyway.... unless your trying to duel 40k+ defense zealots. In which case you will die in 2 zeals anyway.
3: with helm & sheild spot dedicated to dreams its hard to get a good zeal BP (although I'm sure its possible somehow).... which is why many end up going beast (turn into a bear for more life/def then switch weapons to a 6shael pb for a very fast normal attack).
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject:
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I suggest this guide (not sure if I'm allowed to enter a link to another forum). http://forums.d2jsp.org/index.php?showtopic=4551498
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Torrent
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject:
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KnightXENO2 wrote: | 3: with helm & sheild spot dedicated to dreams its hard to get a good zeal BP (although I'm sure its possible somehow).... which is why many end up going beast (turn into a bear for more life/def then switch weapons to a 6shael pb for a very fast normal attack). |
thats why i went with fire. helm spot lets me use andys for 20 ias. i also dont want to go with bear. id rather fastest attack.
and ive never understood this, why max telekenesis? i know it works with es or something, but why exactly is it so important?
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject:
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higher lvl telek makes the mana each hit takes away from your ES less.
With 1 pnt into telek for every 1 dmg es absorbs you lose 2 mana.
with 20 pnts into telek for every 1 dmg es absorbs you lose 3/4 or a pnt of mana.
only works with hard points into it tho.
def max fire mastery or warmth last. Also i would go with 1 point into frozen or shiver armor for the Defense bonuses.
I had an enchantress that i was not to fond of. she had a passion and a Widow maker on switch. Her fcr and ias was slow with either weapon.
Also i would say dream helm + shield (one with high block fo sho) and angelic ammy + 1 angelic ring and then a 20 dex raven. It will help you get closer to max block and save you 20 stats if u decided not to go max block. (go max block if u want to stand a chance)
Also for your armor, you might want to consider using a CoH for the skills/res/dr/ other nice mods on it. Or at least keep one in stash
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:13 pm Post subject:
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all indeed valid suggestions. the only problem is that with dream helm/shield and no skill rings, you cant get 4 zeal OR 4 frame zeal.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject:
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KnightXENO2 wrote: | .... unless your trying to duel 40k+ defense zealots. In which case you will die in 2 zeals anyway. |
For the abstractpvp arena which was up for a little while, a friend made a zealasorc and beat one of the top zealots on west fairly easily if I remember correctly.
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject:
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I guess anything is possible, but was it planned? Just wondering because I can see a good zealot making some minor switches to get max res alot easier than a zeal sorc making changes to dr.
I remember later ladder2 when Landerz made his extremely prebuffed "damage" sorc, which was the first one as far as I know. (bear + 6sheal bp + max chant +2x dream + max full stash of fire gear for prebuff + cta, etc) He won a few times, than all of the zealots in the tourney (zeal tourney, he just came to practice mathups etc)countered pretty easily by losing all DR gear for more def/res (CoA--> the unique 70res circlet um'd, ebug pru or fort). But that was a long time ago, so maybe i'm remembering it wrong. Also possible he was missing something important for dueling melee?
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as for getting 5frame zeal:
+1 from passion
+1 anni
+1 BO/BC
+2 skill armor (CoH, nigma, whatever fills the holes you have)
+1 belt if needed... but you shouldn't
Can also always swap in Highlord for +1/20ias although I don't think the deadly will matter [try it on SP and see if you need the ar from angelics first)
20ias gloves/20ias ammy/10ias belt.......
OR
Bear: almost as fast attack + more life (con: its not uninteruptible)
easily hit good speed
can use a good belt + frosties (for the mana you need for es) + prob don't need highlord
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:51 am Post subject:
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The zeal bp's are different on a sorc compared to a pally. Here they are:
For a phase blade, -30 WSM
11/8 30 IAS needed
9/8 54 IAS needed
10/7 65 IAS needed
I got this from a sticky in diabloii.net. As you can see the attack rate is less than ideal for pvp.
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject:
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if you ever play d2pk, you see zeal sorcs somewhat frequently
the gear I would (and have) used is like this:
passion pb
45ias/45res/cham 90+ life armor (nn ravens this way, more ar)
dream helm
dream TOWER shield (best one to get mb with, and yes its worth it)
armageddon fletch (any 2 sorc skills decent + stats ammy will work fine)
2x sojs
frostburns
sanders boots
arachnids
8x lightnign life/fhr's (w/e bp you want for fhr)
13x bug manas (legit life/manas work fine too)
20 light mastery
20 telekenises
20 energy shield
1 ts (nice additional damage with not much investment of skill pts)
warmth, enchant, and fire mastery are the biggest variances. you really only get good fire damage if you prebuff your enchant a lot, so i went for 20 warmth, then 1 fire mastery and rest to enchant
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