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Jerkazoid
 Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 2902 BNet Acct/Realm: wscl  4.86 Silvarrr |
PERFECT! i argue our "BEST" mechanism for life in the natural world.. might not do much for the afterlife....but as we know, trying to think about the afterlife spawns exactly the issue we are debating.
irrelevant, faith arguments are a microcosm of existentialism, "if not this and not that, then nothing" the issue is not of a metaphysical question.. its ethical. the ethics of zealous religons is not ok for me in the long term.... but zealous science is superb as our best hope for natural survival. ill say it again. pick a side and make sure its a good one for everyone! great minds who strive for "facts" as perfect as they can be as they relate to this natural world. in other words.. ill choose to pray to science bc it has provable effects. repeatable, progressive and will admit when its wrong we will probably never know what started the universe bc we cant even describe the idea of infinity. (we do it with 7 letters) but we can do our best to measure and find the patterns all around us to preserve ourselfs.. and im starting to see super natural faith causes more problems then it solves.
 Fear is such a great tool
Goky; beware of my affinty for Colbert, Cross and Black. 
however, as said, there will be war over beilef, we cannot avoid this .you WILL have to choose a side either you die for a side. or you die for nothing. those of us who live in america are all independatly responsible for Iraq no matter WHAT we beileve.. you contributed in some insignificant way. you paid taxes, you invested, you inlisted or you protested and 80 years from now when you die you either helped or hurt the situation. which was it? pick a SIDE. your either FOR the supernatural or against it. and DONT be affraid to fight for it. also start smoking. _________________ Magic missile doesn't kill people, wizards who cast magic missile kill people.  Last edited by Jerkazoid on Fri May 04, 2007 6:21 pm; edited 6 times in total |
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DD[2]
 Joined: 31 Oct 2006 Posts: 104 BNet Acct/Realm: *DD-Massacre[2] 0.00 Silvarrr |
Idk if that was a joke or not if it was then i apologize. but are you kidding me? id say a good half of the old testament (especially the earliest stuff) is technically false but serves a different meaning. Youd learn this if u went to a catholic highschool. There are many things in the old testament that serve to make a spiritual message and teach a lesson, but are not entirely true. Abraham probably didnt live to be 175 years old... |
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Jerkazoid
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 2902 BNet Acct/Realm: wscl 4.86 Silvarrr |
oh wait i just thought of something... (or did i) what does science say about abortion? what can science do to tell me it is or is not a baby? what does science say about murder? hmm... we need faith?? but then what faith? which is best? what do we do when they dont work together? i guess we have wars  joy
hey presidant bush, Limit abortion rights more!! i love it !!! _________________ Magic missile doesn't kill people, wizards who cast magic missile kill people. Last edited by Jerkazoid on Fri May 04, 2007 6:28 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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zarc
Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 865 BNet Acct/Realm: USEast NonLadder *fyarbeast USEast Ladder *fyarbeast1 -2.48 Silvarrr |
agreed _________________  |
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diet_sushi
 Joined: 09 Sep 2004 Posts: 1614 BNet Acct/Realm: Korea's got SEOUL 0.00 Silvarrr |
I remember seeing some YtMnD which had the arguement about the bible OH YEAH HERE IT IS http://circularreasoning.ytmnd.com/ woot here's the other one for you "science" guiz http://noncircular.ytmnd.com/ _________________  |
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Dao Jones
 Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 2959 BNet Acct/Realm: *Dao_Jones, Bi-Realmsual. 33.66 Silvarrr |
You're not paying attention to the argument then. You're trying to make some... I guess it's "satirical" argument about absolutism or something. I'm not sure, as what you're saying seems mostly nonsensical. My point, as it is relevant to the thread is that the existence of God is neither definitely provable nor unprovable at this stage in human development. Trying to make the argument is therefore silly. Despite breakbeatz2's desire to split the universe in two, it's just not necessary. I prefer an Agnostic approach to faith - God is unknownable, but God is also largely unprovable. So accept him if you want, if it works for you. Some see God in every rock, some see God as a quantifiable product measurable by test tubes. Personally, I think both sides are kinda silly.
Narrow minded black-and-white thinking ftl. If you're going for parody, I'm just not getting it. I used to be one of those people who ardently tried to rail upon anyone who believed in religion, too. I used to argue with the best of 'em, but then I realized: why? Let people have their faith, or lack thereof. I've essentially boiled down my arguments against both sides to these two simple statements: To the faithful I say: bring me a God I can know without needing "faith", and I'll believe. (If they start to quote the Bible they automatically lose.  )
To the atheist I say: What came before the Big Bang? Provide me an answer that doesn't require "faith" to accept, and I'll believe. _________________ 
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Grim04
Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 4197 BNet Acct/Realm: Grim04/UWNL 0.00 Silvarrr |
...Have you read all the bible? Alot of lessons it teaches are to save yourself even if you're sacrificing you're family. Sorry Imp but the bible is full of contradictions. |
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zarc
Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 865 BNet Acct/Realm: USEast NonLadder *fyarbeast USEast Ladder *fyarbeast1 -2.48 Silvarrr |
not only is the bible self contradicting, it is also a work that is 2000 years old which in itself changes is own guidelines and rules. Who is to say these rules have not changed since then? GOD is perfect, not man. GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE!!!! MAN WROTE THE BIBLE!!! _________________ |
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Roy
My level 18s > yours  Joined: 14 Oct 2005 Posts: 5750 223.30 Silvarrr |
Haha. Pulling out yet another logical fallacy from his arsenal. But since I know you need all the crutches you can get, Break, I'll answer that for you. I don't judge people in that fashion, because that would presume that I know how God works. By definition, that would contradict my faith in God. It's not really a hard concept.
This is a point that's hard for me to understand. If God walked down from the sky, introduced himself to you, and told you his exact expectations and limits for you, would that make your life more or less fulfilling? Part of the appeal of religion is the mystery - through your practice, you become closer to God, reach enlightenment, etc. Having a tangible God would defeat that very purpose. _________________
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Jerkazoid
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 2902 BNet Acct/Realm: wscl 4.86 Silvarrr |
the argument shifted to state then nothing was provable and why choose 1 god over another, or scienve over religon for that matter... pure exestential the point i made was; if u picked nothing, your opinion wont matter. unless you fight for what you beileve, what purpose do you possibly have? (ironically even if it is for peace) this is why i will throw sand into the eyes of someone who says "your being hypocritical about zealous beilef bc your faith in science can be argued philosophically as just another faith" well. its not about truth, its about ethics. its not about perserving my own selfish "soul". its about good deeds that live on in the minds of others. ill pick the side that tries to admit when its wrong, takes responsibility for itself, tries to progress, and wont commit genocide in the name of a supreme maker. also you forgot about the smoking.
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zarc
Joined: 14 Sep 2006 Posts: 865 BNet Acct/Realm: USEast NonLadder *fyarbeast USEast Ladder *fyarbeast1 -2.48 Silvarrr |
amen...lol _________________ |
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Grim04
Joined: 05 May 2004 Posts: 4197 BNet Acct/Realm: Grim04/UWNL 0.00 Silvarrr |
You wouldn't believe, you'd know. |
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TacoBell
Joined: 18 Jul 2005 Posts: 223 0.00 Silvarrr |
Exactly...haven't you ever seen that movie with Keanu Reeves? He still wasn't allowed into heaven even though he knew it existed
Ya man, religion is the cause for every war, not corrupt rulers/warmongers 
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Joeyzdead
 Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 402 BNet Acct/Realm: Of_Murder, Of_Murderers , Joeyzdead 0.00 Silvarrr |
That's because he commited suicide which is some type of sin or something, And then in the end he made it to heaven which made me sad. Hell looked alot more fun imo. |
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Dao Jones
Joined: 28 Nov 2004 Posts: 2959 BNet Acct/Realm: *Dao_Jones, Bi-Realmsual. 33.66 Silvarrr |
I think perhaps I've wandered off into a corner, because I'm not really debating the ethics or moral fulfillment of religion. I'm strictly talking about the recognition of a higher power, to which I am essentially saying "I will not accept faith as the barometer against which I should measure my recognition in the existence of or lack of a higher power". I'm not passing judgement on the things people do in the name of religion or science - merely stating that I don't accept "faith" as a viable alternative to "reason", and was pointing out that people on both sides of the aisle regularly invoke faith-based arguments to make their point. _________________
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