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Visual Tactics

Which of these following set-ups would be the best for a Vlld TS Sin?

#1 15ed 3s blade talons
? +Bloodfists for 8fpa
? +deaths set for 7fpa

#2 Silver blade talon of readiness
(61-80ar, 10%ias, 2 sockets)
? +use lvl 4 BoS and bloodfist 7fpa + losing two claw mastery pts.

#3 Silver blade talon of Amplify Damage
(61-80ar, 5% ctc Amp, 2 sockets)
? +Bloodfists for 8fpa
? +deaths set for 7fpa

#4 Eth/Rep blade talons
(1 socket, 40str/40dex req's)
? +Bloodfists for 8fpa
? +deaths set for 7fpa

I know you could get eth/rep 10ias blade talons etc. but I do not have one of these.
If not one of the above, what would be the best choice?

Thanks, Visual

krajee · Joined: 27 Aug 2004 Posts: 6579 9.68 Silvarrr

Where did you get the numbers 7.5 and 8.5?

I would use a 10ias talon with bloodfist and 4 into bos for a 7 frame ts. The reason for that is that I've been playing with my kicker, and 8 frames is a lot slower than 7.

Visual Tactics · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:17 pm Post subject:

yea, I messed up with the attack speed calc. fixed now.

Tric · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 1:20 pm Post subject:

i prefer the 3os blade talon

kouky · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject:

yah. i dont know much about tssins, but i find 3os 15ed/3ar btalons to be pretty good with the right jewels.

Atlas(EF) · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject:

well I would use the #3 claw... if you have this claw... but that is my opinion... the amp damage is crazy helpful

Clops · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject:

this comes from a guy who puts a pic in his avatar of his jabber doing a big 146 dmg

Atlas(EF) · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:40 pm Post subject:

well sorry clops... But I know I dueled a sin with amp damage claws and the amp damage was owning alot of the vllds along with me... I mean 2os verse 3os... u lookin at 9max more damage or so compare to castin amp damage... big diff in damage and his casted 3 outa 4 duels...
But I dont use sins so just my opinions and might not be worth much

Clops · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject:

first of all he could put a 14 max in

2nd of all that dmg is multiplied by claw mastery and tiger strike

3rd of all the 5% chance to cast amp almost never kicks in

heprea · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:04 am Post subject:

.I.O.W.A. · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:19 pm Post subject:

Amp dmg if it casts will seal the duel, in your favor 90% of the time,
Amp dmg when and if it casts is insane it can make or break a duel,
my lvl 18 smite/charger(that I am curently playing) uses a sabre that I'm proud of, my duel relys on the
amp dmg casting, flimsy I know but it helps that much.

crawlingdeadman · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 1:57 pm Post subject:

man, that 5% of the time you ROCK!!

everyone agrees that 7fpa is the way to go. bloodfists are also generally accepted as the better choice. with that in mind i'd focus on what you can do to meet both of those requirements.

when looking at what bloodfists allow you to do; no fhr gcs so more life, more life from fists themselves, more def, and 5 more min damage vs deaths 15 res all, poison dmg reduce, 50 Pres, and the 20% ar, 7% more ed, and 2% crit the 2 claw mastery would give you it's pretty clear that fists top out over deaths.

hmm after writing all this out ive decided what to do on my new claw remake. ultimately the best would be 10ias/eth/repair but i like your silver of readiness idea as a good long term temp to the "godly" eth/repairs. here's a question though, what kind of jewels would go into this "temp" claw? you dont want to put a crapload of highrunes/fg into a temporary solution (well maybe you do but i dont).

FudGe · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:16 pm Post subject:

Generally bfists are the way to go, my ts sin used 'em back in the day...think of the benefits:

30fhr
40life
10ias

This allows you to use 2 less fhr gc's if you were using the death setup. 40life speaks for itself...pure awesomeness.

If you use deaths, you DO gain the 1fpa more, but the losses are uncomprimisable:

You'll lose 100life, 40 from the bfists and 60 from 4x 15lc which you will need to replace with 2x fhr/ar gc's to gain the much needed fhr bp.

However, depending on your setup, this may not all be correct (if you have 17fhr on your shield)

Visual Tactics · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject:

Ok, thanks for the input.

New Question:

#1 Silver Blade Talon of Readiness
(61-80ar, 10%ias, 2 sockets)
OR
#2 Fine Blade Talons of Readiness
(21-40 to Attack Rating/21-30% Enhanced Damage, 10%ias, 2 sockets)

Which of these would be the best?
With perfect stats on both, the silver btalon would have +40ar while the Fine btalon would have 40ar less than the Silver btalon but have 30%ed which work out to around +4 max dmg.

*So, you can get 40ar on a jewel to make up for the loss ar from claw #2 BUT you cannot get 30%ed from a jewel. Think makes me think that the Fine Blade Talons of Readiness would be my best choice.

Opinions please

B[x] · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject:

I went with a Fine Blade Talons over Silver since not only do TS Sins have relatively high AR to begin with, but it's what I came across first. Thanks goes to Cyclops for them, if memory serves. Anyway, I haven't finished building this character due to lack of charms and lack of time. It was supposed to be a little bit of a secret until she was done but now that you're looking into it, I've come out.